Topic: Request for "new" temperaments or direct me to where I can access the

I'm finding myself in need of
Vallotti,
Kirnberger III, and
"French" (modified) meantone temperaments.

I'm not seeing those in the "standard" list and I lack the expertise to finesse them on my own.  Are these available?  If so, where?

Re: Request for "new" temperaments or direct me to where I can access the

kevingm wrote:

I'm finding myself in need of
Vallotti,
Kirnberger III, and
"French" (modified) meantone temperaments.

I'm not seeing those in the "standard" list and I lack the expertise to finesse them on my own.  Are these available?  If so, where?

At the bottom of the "standard" list (in the Tuning->Equal Temperament menu) there is and Advanced Tuning setting you can click. That brings a sophisticated interface which you don't have to understand (but I suggest you try to). Instead you can click the Temperament dropdown menu on the left and that has more choices than the standard menu, including Kirnberger III which is exactly what you are asking, Vallotti & Young (which might be different from "plain" Vallotti) and 5 different Meantone temperaments. I am not familiar with the "French" one, but it may be one of these.

Even if the V&Y and the Meantone are not the one you are searching, that menu gives you the option to open a "scala" file which is a standard way to save temperaments in a compatible across devices / OS / software. So (even if you don't want to spend the time to understand how to do that yourself, which again I nudge you to) you can Google for things like "scala file for French Meantone" and you may find what you need. The nice thing is that it does not have to be written especially for Pianoteq, so you have many more chances to find what you need!

Like everything found on the internet, there is no guarantee that it will be accurate, but at least you can be sure that such files cannot contain viruses, malware or the like, so you are safe to open them in Pianoteq

Hope this helps!

Last edited by dv (29-01-2025 05:11)
Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

Re: Request for "new" temperaments or direct me to where I can access the

Here's a reliable source of Scala tuning files - a huge collection - probably every tuning you would ever want, and more! Scroll to the end of the page where it says 'Scale Archive': https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html

Re: Request for "new" temperaments or direct me to where I can access the

dv wrote:
kevingm wrote:

I'm finding myself in need of
Vallotti,
Kirnberger III, and
"French" (modified) meantone temperaments.

I'm not seeing those in the "standard" list and I lack the expertise to finesse them on my own.  Are these available?  If so, where?

At the bottom of the "standard" list (in the Tuning->Equal Temperament menu) there is and Advanced Tuning setting you can click. That brings a sophisticated interface which you don't have to understand (but I suggest you try to). Instead you can click the Temperament dropdown menu on the left and that has more choices than the standard menu, including Kirnberger III which is exactly what you are asking, Vallotti & Young (which might be different from "plain" Vallotti) and 5 different Meantone temperaments. I am not familiar with the "French" one, but it may be one of these.

Even if the V&Y and the Meantone are not the one you are searching, that menu gives you the option to open a "scala" file which is a standard way to save temperaments in a compatible across devices / OS / software. So (even if you don't want to spend the time to understand how to do that yourself, which again I nudge you to) you can Google for things like "scala file for French Meantone" and you may find what you need. The nice thing is that it does not have to be written especially for Pianoteq, so you have many more chances to find what you need!

Like everything found on the internet, there is no guarantee that it will be accurate, but at least you can be sure that such files cannot contain viruses, malware or the like, so you are safe to open them in Pianoteq

Hope this helps!

Excellent! Thanks!

Re: Request for "new" temperaments or direct me to where I can access the

dazric wrote:

Here's a reliable source of Scala tuning files - a huge collection - probably every tuning you would ever want, and more! Scroll to the end of the page where it says 'Scale Archive': https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html

Thanks!  "Scala" threw me at first as I used the Scala programming language in a previous incarnation (vector math and AI stuff) but I see the "Scala" (scales" repository and that's quite a help as I hope to find some non-western ones as well.

Re: Request for "new" temperaments or direct me to where I can access the

dazric wrote:

Here's a reliable source of Scala tuning files - a huge collection - probably every tuning you would ever want, and more! Scroll to the end of the page where it says 'Scale Archive': https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html


Actually, double and triple thanks for that pointer as I also wanted to explore "non-western" tunings.  Also turns out
that I can modify my flkey61 keyboard to allow me "real time" changes to
Scala tuning (for microtonal)
Expression control
Velocity curve
Stereo width
Pedal emulation
Harmonic resonance

Very nice, tasty, and dangerous.  Looks like lots of performance fun.

Thanks again for tip.