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Happy New Year to the Modartt family

After a month with a PX-S7000, I thought I'd like to share my thoughts if that's ok?

After assembly and initial play, the first thing that was markedly noticeable was the difference between the feel of the action as compared to my previous piano, the PX-S5000. And not a small difference. I am able to get very quiet and very loud with much better control on the 7000 than with the 5000. There is a greater range of dynamics and the velocity consistency is extremely good. The support stand included is very heavy and very solid. There is no movement when playing no matter how heavily I play. The pedals also have a nice solidity once set up properly via screws under the sustain and una chorda.

Yes, the key pivot length is short. This will be an issue for some. But the feel of the keybed outways this for me. Yes I would prefer longer keys, to be frank, but Casio have done an exceptional job of the feel.

The only other thing I would have liked to see included would be the ability to retrigged a note without it sending a note off (double escapement simulation).

I'm currently using default Bluthner Concert Recording AB with 'Medium Hall' reverb and PSP EasyVerb 'Room' setting (medium and alt1).

The PX-S7000 may not suit everyone, but it is exciting to experience Casio's journey. Who knows what will turn up at January Namm 2025 (for which I didn't wait after all!).

Warmest regards,

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Re: I bought a PX-S7000WE

Here's a short demo.

https://youtu.be/nvxZuQR23Y8?si=3yr-zSfQrmvH-taC

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sigasa wrote:

Happy New Year to the Modartt family

After a month with a PX-S7000, I thought I'd like to share my thoughts if that's ok?

After assembly and initial play, the first thing that was markedly noticeable was the difference between the feel of the action as compared to my previous piano, the PX-S5000. And not a small difference. I am able to get very quiet and very loud with much better control on the 7000 than with the 5000. There is a greater range of dynamics and the velocity consistency is extremely good. The support stand included is very heavy and very solid. There is no movement when playing no matter how heavily I play. The pedals also have a nice solidity once set up properly via screws under the sustain and una chorda.

Yes, the key pivot length is short. This will be an issue for some. But the feel of the keybed outways this for me. Yes I would prefer longer keys, to be frank, but Casio have done an exceptional job of the feel.

The only other thing I would have liked to see included would be the ability to retrigged a note without it sending a note off (double escapement simulation).

I'm currently using default Bluthner Concert Recording AB with 'Medium Hall' reverb and PSP EasyVerb 'Room' setting (medium and alt1).

The PX-S7000 may not suit everyone, but it is exciting to experience Casio's journey. Who knows what will turn up at January Namm 2025 (for which I didn't wait after all!).

Warmest regards,

Chris

Good review of keybed here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zCNtCTQh3o

I have a PX-s6000

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sigasa wrote:

Happy New Year to the Modartt family

After a month with a PX-S7000, I thought I'd like to share my thoughts if that's ok?

After assembly and initial play, the first thing that was markedly noticeable was the difference between the feel of the action as compared to my previous piano, the PX-S5000. And not a small difference. I am able to get very quiet and very loud with much better control on the 7000 than with the 5000. There is a greater range of dynamics and the velocity consistency is extremely good. The support stand included is very heavy and very solid. There is no movement when playing no matter how heavily I play. The pedals also have a nice solidity once set up properly via screws under the sustain and una chorda.

Yes, the key pivot length is short. This will be an issue for some. But the feel of the keybed outways this for me. Yes I would prefer longer keys, to be frank, but Casio have done an exceptional job of the feel.

The only other thing I would have liked to see included would be the ability to retrigged a note without it sending a note off (double escapement simulation).

I'm currently using default Bluthner Concert Recording AB with 'Medium Hall' reverb and PSP EasyVerb 'Room' setting (medium and alt1).

The PX-S7000 may not suit everyone, but it is exciting to experience Casio's journey. Who knows what will turn up at January Namm 2025 (for which I didn't wait after all!).

Warmest regards,

Chris

congrats on your new keyboard and it is one of the best looking keyboards around . Now I don’t understand why the feel would be  different from the 5000 from the moment you use the same piano samples? I was under the impression it was the same action & firmware ?  What’s your view ?

Regarding the ability to simulate double escapement , there is no magic , it is only a double sensor . So my understanding is that Casio positioned the 2nd sensor quite low so you can repeat a note without the key being fully released .i guess the only compromise here is the impact on note off velocity , because the 2 nd sensor does t really captured the final velocity of the key when released but I suppose they adjusted that with the smart hybrid software .

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sigasa wrote:

Happy New Year to the Modartt family

After a month with a PX-S7000, I thought I'd like to share my thoughts if that's ok?

After assembly and initial play, the first thing that was markedly noticeable was the difference between the feel of the action as compared to my previous piano, the PX-S5000. And not a small difference. I am able to get very quiet and very loud with much better control on the 7000 than with the 5000. There is a greater range of dynamics and the velocity consistency is extremely good. The support stand included is very heavy and very solid. There is no movement when playing no matter how heavily I play. The pedals also have a nice solidity once set up properly via screws under the sustain and una chorda.

Yes, the key pivot length is short. This will be an issue for some. But the feel of the keybed outways this for me. Yes I would prefer longer keys, to be frank, but Casio have done an exceptional job of the feel.

The only other thing I would have liked to see included would be the ability to retrigged a note without it sending a note off (double escapement simulation).

I'm currently using default Bluthner Concert Recording AB with 'Medium Hall' reverb and PSP EasyVerb 'Room' setting (medium and alt1).

The PX-S7000 may not suit everyone, but it is exciting to experience Casio's journey. Who knows what will turn up at January Namm 2025 (for which I didn't wait after all!).

Warmest regards,

Chris

congrats on your new keyboard and it is one of the best looking keyboards around . Now I don’t understand why the feel would be  different from the 5000 from the moment you use the same piano samples? I was under the impression it was the same action & firmware ?  What’s your view ?

Regarding the ability to simulate double escapement , there is no magic , it is only a double sensor . So my understanding is that Casio positioned the 2nd sensor quite low so you can repeat a note without the key being fully released .i guess the only compromise here is the impact on note off velocity , because the 2 nd sensor does t really captured the final velocity of the key when released but I suppose they adjusted that with the smart hybrid software .

Thank you!


1. Chassis are different between the 5000 and the 6000/7000. Casio has taken advantage of this difference and improved damping and rigidity in the latter.

2. There are three sensors in the smart hybrid action. Casio maybe able to issue a firmware update to enable double escapement simulation (just as Studiologic has done with it's Numa X GT). Currently,  on all these models, it is not possible to retrigger a note without dampening the previous one.

3. The smart hybrid action does send variable note off velocity. And very well too.

Hope this helps,

Warmest regards,

Chris

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Very interesting info and nice demo. I can't place the music - is it Mendelssohn?
Looking forward to more of your experiences with the 7000. Good to know that it supports variable note-off, for me that makes it a serious contender for Pianoteq.

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sigasa wrote:

1. Chassis are different between the 5000 and the 6000/7000. Casio has taken advantage of this difference and improved damping and rigidity in the latter.

  ok this for info

sigasa wrote:

2. There are three sensors in the smart hybrid action. Casio maybe able to issue a firmware update to enable double escapement simulation (just as Studiologic has done with it's Numa X GT). Currently,  on all these models, it is not possible to retrigger a note without dampening the previous one.

   
I disagree here and confirm PSX 6000/7000 has only double sensors. There are numerous discussions including Casio Support in the piano world forum about that given many users were questioning how they managed to get good repetition speed given the 2 sensors . The consensus was that the top sensor was positioned low in the keybed and the support agreed with the fact that there was a double sensor.

The following Casio keyboards have triple sensors  :

PX-560 with tri sensor action with the Scaled Hammer action
The GP series 310 & 510  have triple sensors with the Grand hybrid action

but the Privia  S serie  5000, 6000, 7000   have double sensors with the Smart hybrid action. The action itself is derived form the 1100,3100 series.

The Numa GT has 3 sensors but had it wrongly implemented before release 2.1 of their firmware, because they sent a note off with  a non null velocity value in a range which dampened the sound .

In all cases enjoy your great new keyboard.

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Pianistically wrote:
sigasa wrote:

1. Chassis are different between the 5000 and the 6000/7000. Casio has taken advantage of this difference and improved damping and rigidity in the latter.

  ok this for info

sigasa wrote:

2. There are three sensors in the smart hybrid action. Casio maybe able to issue a firmware update to enable double escapement simulation (just as Studiologic has done with it's Numa X GT). Currently,  on all these models, it is not possible to retrigger a note without dampening the previous one.

   
I disagree here and confirm PSX 6000/7000 has only double sensors. There are numerous discussions including Casio Support in the piano world forum about that given many users were questioning how they managed to get good repetition speed given the 2 sensors . The consensus was that the top sensor was positioned low in the keybed and the support agreed with the fact that there was a double sensor.

The following Casio keyboards have triple sensors  :

PX-560 with tri sensor action with the Scaled Hammer action
The GP series 310 & 510  have triple sensors with the Grand hybrid action

but the Privia  S serie  5000, 6000, 7000   have double sensors with the Smart hybrid action. The action itself is derived form the 1100,3100 series.

The Numa GT has 3 sensors but had it wrongly implemented before release 2.1 of their firmware, because they sent a note off with  a non null velocity value in a range which dampened the sound .

In all cases enjoy your great new keyboard.

Thank you for the correction. This explains why there's no double escapement.

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dazric wrote:

Very interesting info and nice demo. I can't place the music - is it Mendelssohn?
Looking forward to more of your experiences with the 7000. Good to know that it supports variable note-off, for me that makes it a serious contender for Pianoteq.

Thank you.

I believe the music is John Wesley, the tune -'Hereford'

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sigasa wrote:
Pianistically wrote:
sigasa wrote:

1. Chassis are different between the 5000 and the 6000/7000. Casio has taken advantage of this difference and improved damping and rigidity in the latter.

  ok this for info

sigasa wrote:

2. There are three sensors in the smart hybrid action. Casio maybe able to issue a firmware update to enable double escapement simulation (just as Studiologic has done with it's Numa X GT). Currently,  on all these models, it is not possible to retrigger a note without dampening the previous one.

   
I disagree here and confirm PSX 6000/7000 has only double sensors. There are numerous discussions including Casio Support in the piano world forum about that given many users were questioning how they managed to get good repetition speed given the 2 sensors . The consensus was that the top sensor was positioned low in the keybed and the support agreed with the fact that there was a double sensor.

The following Casio keyboards have triple sensors  :

PX-560 with tri sensor action with the Scaled Hammer action
The GP series 310 & 510  have triple sensors with the Grand hybrid action

but the Privia  S serie  5000, 6000, 7000   have double sensors with the Smart hybrid action. The action itself is derived form the 1100,3100 series.

The Numa GT has 3 sensors but had it wrongly implemented before release 2.1 of their firmware, because they sent a note off with  a non null velocity value in a range which dampened the sound .

In all cases enjoy your great new keyboard.

Thank you for the correction. This explains why there's no double escapement.

True , but it’s better than many DP with triple sensors . Similarly the Kawai ES110 was a star and highly rated by many advanced users and it was also a double sensors . Anyway , again congrats and please  share your feedback  after a few months . Most owners seem very pleased it it . Cheers

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The only other thing I would have liked to see included would be the ability to retrigged a note without it sending a note off (double escapement simulation).

I was curious how Pianoteq would react to this difference, so...

Using Ptq8 VST3 in Sonar with Damper and Key Release noises zeroed, I sequenced a series of three overlapping notes, rendered it to audio, did the same with sequential notes of the same total duration with the same start times and velocities, inverted the phase of the second recording and confirmed they null nearly perfectly when played back together. There's a very low-level  (-75dB peak) noise burst where the third note starts but it's completely inaudible at normal monitoring levels even in the context of nulling much less with notes sounding; I would guess its an anomaly with reverb processing which I left enabled.

I might need to repeat this test using standalone Pianoteq to ensure this isn't a quirk of the way Sonar is rendering the MIDI to Audio (quite possible), but, initially, it does not appear that Pianoteq responds differently to the two articulations as you might expect.

I would think this has come up previously on the forum but couldn't really find a relevant thread. If anyone knows of one, please let me know.

EDIT: I rendered the same MIDI sequences in standlaone Pianoteq and got essentially the same result. I disabled reverb and still got the -75dB noise burst, but on the second note instead of the third, and mostly in one channel. Otherwise the two "performances" are effectively nulling to silence.

To some extent, it makes sense that there would be little difference in this test case as the damper has virtually no time to work when the sequential notes end and start on the same MIDI tick. In the real world, completely releasing and replaying a note - whether on a real piano or a MIDI controller - takes long enough for the damper - whether physical or virtual - to mute the string much more completely than with my artificial test sequence.

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It is important to turn the PX-S70000 local control off when using as a controller. This makes the timing of the notes of big chords more tight, especially whilst using the sustain pedal (which is continuous 0-127).

Hope this helps someone,

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I have a 7000 (black) and like it a lot, sometimes use it with pianoteq.  I have it next to my computer set up ..
also the 560 (which has been my main Pianoteq controller for a couple years as it sits under my computer set up real handy) , a  3000 that I gig with, and a 1100 that sits in a Baby Grand shell I gutted (and older 350s that I loaned out but are pretty much not coming back ).. Also just got a Studiologic 73 Piano (as mentioned by "keymatrix" on another thread) a couple days ago and I now use it as a controller with Pianoteq on an iPhone or iPad Pro and love it.  Seems almost like 0 latency and such a simple set up with USB audio back into the 73, so will prolly gig with it and some open mics .

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sigasa wrote:

It is important to turn the PX-S70000 local control off when using as a controller. This makes the timing of the notes of big chords more tight, especially whilst using the sustain pedal (which is continuous 0-127).

Hope this helps someone,

Warmest regards,

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Thanks, I'll try that.

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Kramster1 wrote:
sigasa wrote:

It is important to turn the PX-S70000 local control off when using as a controller. This makes the timing of the notes of big chords more tight, especially whilst using the sustain pedal (which is continuous 0-127).

Hope this helps someone,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Thanks, I'll try that.

Let me know if you see a difference. I personally see a lot.

Warmest regards,

Chris