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Topic: New to Pianoteq8, what "modern" keyboard pac to use?

I bought the "standard" PianoTeq8 with Karsten, Kremsegg 1 & 2 because I intended to work through my large library of sheet music (7K+) on the appropriate period instruments and also to branch out and explore more of the early clavichord and virginal work from MuseScore.   Well, it's been addictive to say the least and now I want more.

I have some modern keyboard sounds from FL Studio 2024 but don't like the sound as much as Pianoteq provides.   In "real" life, I normally play a 5'6" Knabe grand (vintage 1917, so still be "hand" made) but with all new action etc. and a lovely "bel canto" sound.  I have 5 decades of experience on keyboards including pipe organs.

I use the Pianoteq on a FLKey61.

Which of the Pianoteq "modern" instrument packs should I purchase.  I'm leaning towards the Bosendorfer.  (I do not like the Yamaha sound). I'll be using it for "modern" Jazz, incidental, cinematic, and experimental music mostly.  I'm more interested in improv and performance rather than "production".

Suggestions?
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I'm leaning towards the Bosendorfer.  (I do not like the Yamaha sound).

As a piano tech, I find that interesting as Yamaha has owned Bosendorfer since 2008 and have definitely been influenced by them in their CFX concert piano design. They are not the same sound but I do find them in the similar 'tonal palette'.

Purely subjective call on the instruments... although I like the Bechstein and Shigeru Kawai which are the newer modelled pianos from Modartt.

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If you haven’t kept up with updates, be sure to get the latest one (8.4) so you can try the newest model, the Shigeru Kawai SK-EX. It really is lovely. I think it makes a very good “general purpose” modern piano. To my ears, it has a lot of sustain (which occasionally makes me have to pay some extra attention to the lead foot I usually have on the pedal). (The polar opposite of that — again, to my ears — is the Steingraeber, which has a lot of “definition” relative to the sustain, almost toward upright territory, but still with the full bass of a grand.)

It doesn’t really matter which you pick, because you’re not going to stop at one.

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Hi.
Welcome to Pianoteq Forum :-)

Please don't forget to install the pianoteq KiVir project (historic instruments pack) instruments. They are free, but was made with as much care and love as the other instruments.

You can also download the demo/trial version of Organteq version 2, which
now have historic organs. 

About the modern grand pianos, the latest two models, Bosendorfer 280 VC and Kawai Shigeru SK-EX, represents the best achivements of Modartt so far in recreating natural sound feeling.
Don't forget to upgradd to V8.4

Be free to ask help with any doubt.

kevingm wrote:

I bought the "standard" PianoTeq8 with Karsten, Kremsegg 1 & 2 because I intended to work through my large library of sheet music (7K+) on the appropriate period instruments and also to branch out and explore more of the early clavichord and virginal work from MuseScore.   Well, it's been addictive to say the least and now I want more.

I have some modern keyboard sounds from FL Studio 2024 but don't like the sound as much as Pianoteq provides.   In "real" life, I normally play a 5'6" Knabe grand (vintage 1917, so still be "hand" made) but with all new action etc. and a lovely "bel canto" sound.  I have 5 decades of experience on keyboards including pipe organs.

I use the Pianoteq on a FLKey61.

Which of the Pianoteq "modern" instrument packs should I purchase.  I'm leaning towards the Bosendorfer.  (I do not like the Yamaha sound). I'll be using it for "modern" Jazz, incidental, cinematic, and experimental music mostly.  I'm more interested in improv and performance rather than "production".

Suggestions?
Kevin Minerley

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vorpal wrote:
kevingm wrote:

I'm leaning towards the Bosendorfer.  (I do not like the Yamaha sound).

As a piano tech, I find that interesting as Yamaha has owned Bosendorfer since 2008 and have definitely been influenced by them in their CFX concert piano design. They are not the same sound but I do find them in the similar 'tonal palette'.

Purely subjective call on the instruments... although I like the Bechstein and Shigeru Kawai which are the newer modelled pianos from Modartt.

 

Thanks!  I am remembering a "real" Bosendorfer from the '60s,  I hadn't realized Yamaha bought out Bosendorfer.

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kevingm wrote:

Suggestions?

If you haven’t kept up with updates, be sure to get the latest one (8.4) so you can try the newest model, the Shigeru Kawai SK-EX. It really is lovely. I think it makes a very good “general purpose” modern piano. To my ears, it has a lot of sustain (which occasionally makes me have to pay some extra attention to the lead foot I usually have on the pedal). (The polar opposite of that — again, to my ears — is the Steingraeber, which has a lot of “definition” relative to the sustain, almost toward upright territory, but still with the full bass of a grand.)

It doesn’t really matter which you pick, because you’re not going to stop at one.

Thanks for the tips!  I hadn't even thought of the Steingraeber,  I'm trying it now and liking it a lot.   

FWIW, you're correct -  this isn't going to stop at one.

Kevin

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Beto-Music wrote:

Hi.
Welcome to Pianoteq Forum :-)

Please don't forget to install the pianoteq KiVir project (historic instruments pack) instruments. They are free, but was made with as much care and love as the other instruments.

You can also download the demo/trial version of Organteq version 2, which
now have historic organs. 

About the modern grand pianos, the latest two models, Bosendorfer 280 VC and Kawai Shigeru SK-EX, represents the best achivements of Modartt so far in recreating natural sound feeling.
Don't forget to upgradd to V8.4

Be free to ask help with any doubt.

kevingm wrote:

I bought the "standard" PianoTeq8 with Karsten, Kremsegg 1 & 2 because I intended to work through my large library of sheet music (7K+) on the appropriate period instruments and also to branch out and explore more of the early clavichord and virginal work from MuseScore.   Well, it's been addictive to say the least and now I want more.

I have some modern keyboard sounds from FL Studio 2024 but don't like the sound as much as Pianoteq provides.   In "real" life, I normally play a 5'6" Knabe grand (vintage 1917, so still be "hand" made) but with all new action etc. and a lovely "bel canto" sound.  I have 5 decades of experience on keyboards including pipe organs.

I use the Pianoteq on a FLKey61.

Which of the Pianoteq "modern" instrument packs should I purchase.  I'm leaning towards the Bosendorfer.  (I do not like the Yamaha sound). I'll be using it for "modern" Jazz, incidental, cinematic, and experimental music mostly.  I'm more interested in improv and performance rather than "production".

Suggestions?
Kevin Minerley

Thanks!  Downloading KiVir was one of the first things I did after purchase.  Very pleased with it.  Yes, I'm running the latest copy.
Kevin

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I find the K2 sounding particularly good with the latest update.    Set the "condition" slider set to about 0.30 and the octave stretch to the neighborhood of 1.2 and be be prepared to smile.

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jsaras wrote:

I find the K2 sounding particularly good with the latest update.    Set the "condition" slider set to about 0.30 and the octave stretch to the neighborhood of 1.2 and be be prepared to smile.

Thanks.  Tried K2 and did not like the "mint" condition.  Tried it again with your suggestion about "condition" and much nicer.
That being said, I went with the Steingraeber and really like all its moods.