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Topic: MIDI 2.0 setup?

Roland A88MKII set to 2.0 mode. Selected "A88MK2 MIDI 2.0" in Pianoteq's devices panel in options. But if I switch to the MIDI panel and play, I still see only MIDI velocity numbers up to 127. Shouldn't they be showing up to 16,000 or something? Or is the finer gradation there but displayed as rounded to the closest 1-127? (That would suck and be rather sus.)

Edit: Mac Studio 2022 base model, OS 14.5, Pianoteq 8.3.1, controller into mac via USB C

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Re: MIDI 2.0 setup?

moshuajusic wrote:

Roland A88MKII set to 2.0 mode. Selected "A88MK2 MIDI 2.0" in Pianoteq's devices panel in options. But if I switch to the MIDI panel and play, I still see only MIDI velocity numbers up to 127. Shouldn't they be showing up to 16,000 or something? Or is the finer gradation there but displayed as rounded to the closest 1-127? (That would suck and be rather sus.)

Edit: Mac Studio 2022 base model, OS 14.5, Pianoteq 8.3.1, controller into mac via USB C

Pianoteq doesn't support Midi 2.0 . It only supports 14 bits extended velocity (HiRes Velocity Prefix CC#88) which is an extension of Midi 1.0 and Disklavier XP .

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Re: MIDI 2.0 setup?

How? I select hi res CC88 "dialect" in ptq's MIDI pane. Seems to only do anything if I assign CC88 to a momentary pad and press and/or hold the pad every time I hit a note, which is obviously impractical. (It shows as MIDI velocities with a few decimals.) If I set the same pad to latching it doesn't do anything.

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Re: MIDI 2.0 setup?

moshuajusic wrote:

How? I select hi res CC88 "dialect" in ptq's MIDI pane. Seems to only do anything if I assign CC88 to a momentary pad and press and/or hold the pad every time I hit a note, which is obviously impractical. (It shows as MIDI velocities with a few decimals.) If I set the same pad to latching it doesn't do anything.

  As far as I am aware Roland controller has been certified in 2023 with Midi 2.0 in the following environment ( Mac OS Sonoma) and Logic pro 10.8.

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Standard Midi 1.0 uses 7 bit for velocity ( supported by Pianoteq 8.3)
Standard Midi 1.0  2010 addendum added high resolution with an added 7 bit prefix  using CC#88 messages with and an addition 7 bit  so  14 bits in total for velocity ( Supported by Pianoteq 8,3)
Standard Midi 2.0 new UMP voice channel messages uses 16 bit for velocity  ( not currently supported by Pianoteq in version 8.3) 

It may well be that the Midi 2.0 version Roland has implemented also supports old CC#88  messages to allow  compatibility with  Midi 1.0 Extended high resolution but I don't know if that is  the case and I doubt it as I haven't read anything about it in their support pages.

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Re: MIDI 2.0 setup?

Hopefully Pianoteq 9 will fully support MIDI 2.0 and MPE.

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Re: MIDI 2.0 setup?

I did a test. Drew and copy pasted a midi note several times, printed the audio. There were variations in the waveforms. So even if we're restricted to 127 velocities, pianoteq varies the sound within each one. I speculate it'll be like dolby atmos music. A nonfactor until at least one massive company gives it a massive push.

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Re: MIDI 2.0 setup?

moshuajusic wrote:

I did a test. Drew and copy pasted a midi note several times, printed the audio. There were variations in the waveforms. So even if we're restricted to 127 velocities, pianoteq varies the sound within each one. I speculate it'll be like dolby atmos music. A nonfactor until at least one massive company gives it a massive push.

Hi - I assume your A-88MK2 is on v2.00.

Are there any issues when you play trills in Pianoteq on A-88MK2 with v2.00 firmware?

I'm getting sporadic much-higher-than-expected velocity notes and possibly missing notes during fast trills.

Thanks

EDIT: I'm speculating / wondering if the A-88MK2 is sending MIDI 2.0 data and Pianoteq is not playing nicely with it.

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