Anyone else hear B3 too far to the left in the new Bösendorfer?

You're right!!!! Freeze parameters make crazy things!!! For example, some notes go very loud !!!! This should be a new topic so they can check and fix it!!!

Fine observations Coises. It is a diff I don't mind - and in a way, it's the sum of many diffs like this which kind of give life to various presets.

In this case, that B note does indeed seem to go left pretty noticeably - which stands out more than it might want to. *really well described btw!

I have no doubt that your find will be a diff which will get attention for the following update. Many thanks!

(a lot of attention is put on diffs in testing by particularly capable people, but just want to add that you have a good ear for this too I believe. Cheers to you!)

How does it work for you if you set the condition slider to 0.5?

Hi dikrek - thank you for this idea. When putting the condition slider in the middle, you get a gross deficit in left weighting - which at least proves there's a kind of 'many things' going on prob - but which of those would focus on the exact fix? IDK..

So far I have tried a lot of things, just to cleanly be rid of this small thing - but it only created for me, other small things to fix too, so far.. I'll put some more ideas here in case it's of any interest..

I think though, if I find some decent and repeatable way to adjust 'left vs. right' at note-edit level, I'd probably wake up - only a dream !

(reading back.. that's probably something I'd like to see, at note-edit level.. Left/Right adjustment.. passing through to the final signal - whether it's possible or not, or whether it would break everything else.. but now I know I'm needing a nap! - not sure if that's a good/bad/even possible idea..)

BTW - I'm going with mention of the Jazz Recording preset for this - to keep posted ideas un-mudded by variances - and going with the notion that if something is doable in this preset, it might transfer fine to others and keep other elements unharmed by the adjustment.

Happy to put some time into this over coming days - and for sure, if anyone fixes it and posts the method, for sure I'd absolutely love that. Only thing is, these kinds of things have a real-world similar problem of often being not something which repeats in other similar cases..

But to Coises, if not already mentioned, probably if you or others would like to see an official fix in an upgrade, give an email to support about it and link to the thread to save time describing it again perhaps. Sometimes these things are brought up in other situations.

Meanwhile, here's some more data for anyone interested in sleuthing this one..

Should probably be up top.. but..

If you load that Jazz preset, visit the mic panel, look at the left/right green level bars, hit MIDI note #59 (some will call it B3 - some may have been trained with different naming conventions - just saying note 59, to save confusion, and describing why.. well, I know that can cause confusion or annoyance for some.. the MIDI note numbers can be seen on options/MIDI panel as you hit them on your dpiano)...

... Next, one-by-one strike the notes either side of it - and watch the way the green bar, representing 'left' signal, is higher on note 59. It's a pretty big diff.

Fixing small diffs can have a little of that bothersome Newtonian law.. equal and opposite reactions.. fixing one thing, can create some other perhaps smaller ripples in the fabric. I'd like to think it's just something which will be considered on the next update - but who knows.. could be that everyone is trying to take a break after a busy schedule - so users posting potential fixes could be fun - at least until Philippe shows how it's done

I hadn't really noticed these differences until checking the effect of Binaural mode on reverb level. I happened to be using Note Number 62 which is panned significantly right in Bosendorfer and even further in Binaural mode. I don't actually see the #59 is significantly off center, and if anything it's to the right.

Changing the X coodinate of the close mics to +0.690 (the center point between them) centers the image for all notes as you would expect.

Ah thank you @brundlefly - yes that indeed was my mistake - I did mean the other way around.. green bar on note #59 being 'lower' on the left, with apologies. (esp. hitting notes mf or above). Looks like approaching 10%-ish less weight on the left.

Thanks @Philippe - No doubt about the confluence of elements having most bearing on stereo balance of each individual note for any piano/model - practically infinite how it all works.

Interested in all this - to get to better results for this kind of tweak (which I rarely have concern for).. but it seems that when we move condition slider (like dikrek suggested - half way or full), the mics remain stationary, yet indeed various notes do move weight (some which were more left weighted can flip and vice versa - meaning apart from mics, it's possible for various tweaks to amount to a change in stereo image on a per-note level.. the devil is in the 'means to tame that process' only I'd suggest). Also thought of some way to influence stereo per note on a signal level (like post) but that seems like something for later times, if at all.. probably requiring many outputs and loopbacks which could be hell for current software/hardware.

Here's what interests me most about this perhaps.. where note-edit allows intricate measures to apply to very specific things, I've thought only few times, that various dissatisfactions which some users may have with just individual notes, this might be reasonably adjusted in note-edit mode with a similar kind of tool as the Condition slider is.. I'll try putting that differently, as clearly as I can..

Thinking of something like how a macro might tie various influential controls together which can throw the field a little either side (understanding how erratic that is to achieve manually, even if putting a lot of personal focus on it).. but maybe even if it's not exactly amounting to being strictly realistic to state something like 'This slider will adjust left when moving it left, and right when moving it right'.. maybe instead it coule be described as a stereo alteration tool.. and in the same users just stop moving the Condition slider when they hear "Ah, that's where I like it".. same with this on a note-edit per note level where a number of controls invisibly are altering with any movement of the slider (either left or right) and users just stop when they hear (or see on the stereo output level indicators) the stereo spread they want.

in this note-edit level case.. perhaps just mainly it could be limited to certain sub-set of controls which may influence acoustically the stereo image, and the chosen note could 'randomize' similarly.. such that, on moving the note-edit slider for this, the user will choose to stop moving left/right when it seems to positively move the stereo image into place just for that note. In reality.. a user might hear the note panning slightle either side no matter which way the slider moves (because of the confluence of all the realism based things randomly altering within bounds perhaps). It could be a 1 minite or less fix, just get a note to gain/lose weight on either side.. the only hurdle to using it, might be understanding it.. but IDK it's probably a thing I'd love to use.. not just to make strange pianos.

Another notion for such a tool, might be to split the "Volume" control within note-edit into 'left' and 'right'. Just thinking.. maybe we all can way overthink what's really possible.. and maybe a left and right volume tool, for each note might be way easier

I am amazed though at how well you do this kind of thing Philippe - I've tried a number of things with the controls, but if I seem to adjust 59 to have less deficit on the left side, other things seem to happen around it. I know that's how things work in reality - but, IDK, for adjusts like this one I can't help but imagine there could be a way. To be sure, I feel that, because the surrounding notes are so much more balanced, 59 does seem slanted unnaturally.