Topic: New Bosendorfer 280VC

Dear Gentlemen at Modartt, you jumped at least two versions ahead with this piano. Congratulations to your team! I am truly delighted with your progress.

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Im eager to try, but it has yet to be released on iPad it seems. I guess it takes longer as it has to be uploaded to the app store somehow.

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It’s showing up now in the App Store

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Initial impressions: I think a new high has been reached in terms of piano realism with this Bösendorfer. I can't say precisely why, but particularly when I listen to my wife play it, the overall impression is not so far from when she plays our 7-foot W. Hoffmann! The sound is full, but natural, with a deep solid bass and cristalline treble, while the middle of the range is mellow, without any that boxiness that has often plagued earlier models. Well done Modartt!

PT 7.3 with Steinway B and D, U4 upright, YC5, Bechstein DG, Steingraeber, Ant. Petrov, Kremsegg Collection #2, Electric Pianos and Hohner Collection. http://antoinewcaron.com

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Bösendorfer's tone is second to none and this model by Pianoteq really does a remarkable job of replicating it. This might be the most realistic model yet. Beautiful work!

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snurrfint wrote:

Im eager to try, but it has yet to be released on iPad it seems. I guess it takes longer as it has to be uploaded to the app store somehow.

It has. I was trying to find it too. Just go to app store, find the pianoteq 8 and don't ooen it. Just enter the app's page, and you'll find the update button.

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Woke up, saw the new Bosendorfer, tried the demo for a min or two and then bought it! One of my favourites now...

Respect to the Modartt team for releasing such a great sounding piano!

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Given that we now have this excellent official model of the Bosendorfer 280vc I wonder if we will see the YC5 further refined/tweaked or replaced with an official Yamaha branded version like we saw with the D models from Steinway?

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Key Fumbler wrote:

Given that we now have this excellent official model of the Bosendorfer 280vc I wonder if we will see the YC5 further refined/tweaked or replaced with an official Yamaha branded version like we saw with the D models from Steinway?

I was wondering the same thing actually.

But, if I were Yamaha, I would buy modarrt straight up without thinking twice, and put the pianoteq model inside all premium digital pianos going forward. They could even integrate it into the smart pianist app for all existing models if they wanted to later.

Modeling has surpassed sampling in playability by a wide margin and there is just not enough power and space available in digital pianos to run high quality samples that could compete with pianoteq or any other VST for that matter. On top of that, they get basically an infinite amount of voices for next to no footprint and can offer much higher customisation of sounds and effects.

They can still sell Pianoteq as a standalone VST for producers and enthusiasts.

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snurrfint wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

Given that we now have this excellent official model of the Bosendorfer 280vc I wonder if we will see the YC5 further refined/tweaked or replaced with an official Yamaha branded version like we saw with the D models from Steinway?

I was wondering the same thing actually.

But, if I were Yamaha, I would buy modarrt straight up without thinking twice, and put the pianoteq model inside all premium digital pianos going forward. They could even integrate it into the smart pianist app for all existing models if they wanted to later.

Modeling has surpassed sampling in playability by a wide margin and there is just not enough power and space available in digital pianos to run high quality samples that could compete with pianoteq or any other VST for that matter. On top of that, they get basically an infinite amount of voices for next to no footprint and can offer much higher customisation of sounds and effects.

They can still sell Pianoteq as a standalone VST for producers and enthusiasts.

Well I hope it's not for sale or open to offers and stays independent for decades to come!

We don't want another big company buying a great property as an afterthought and  running it into the ground.

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Key Fumbler wrote:

Given that we now have this excellent official model of the Bosendorfer 280vc I wonder if we will see the YC5 further refined/tweaked or replaced with an official Yamaha branded version like we saw with the D models from Steinway?

Fingers crossed this means a CFX might make it onto their roadmap!

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HeartKeys over at PW has an acoustic 280 VC and had some pretty high praise for it, too!

Purchased this morning and played it a bit. I have an acoustic 280VC for reference and comparison, and there were times it truly sounded the same.

Some registries still sound “Pianoteq” but other areas where it was really close to the real thing.

I’m very impressed, given this is a modeled piano, instead of samples.

https://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthread...ost3526695

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Hello Gentlemen,
I purchase the Bosendorfer on 6/12/24, the pack is registered in my name however it is only showing up as demo. Please help as soon as possible. Second question how can I upgrade to pianoteq 8.3?

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Eschneider wrote:

Hello Gentlemen,
I purchase the Bosendorfer on 6/12/24, the pack is registered in my name however it is only showing up as demo. Please help as soon as possible. Second question how can I upgrade to pianoteq 8.3?

Did you click on the "Restore purchase" in the iOS app? https://www.modartt.com/activation_help#ios_activation

The 8.3 upgrade should be automatic on iOS, or visit the App Store.

For other systems you can download it in your user area: https://www.modartt.com/user_area

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Eschneider wrote:

Hello Gentlemen,
I purchase the Bosendorfer on 6/12/24, the pack is registered in my name however it is only showing up as demo. Please help as soon as possible. Second question how can I upgrade to pianoteq 8.3?

If you download 8.3 the Bosendorfer is already loaded and appears in the list. Go to Options; Instruments. It would be marked either 'Demo' or 'Authorised'. You would have to activate/update your Licence.

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Thank you Modartt!!! At last: a Bösendorfer!!!
Gorgeous sound!
What a treat! truly amazing.
Kudos for the team

Last edited by mfiadeiro (13-06-2024 19:57)

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miiindbullets wrote:

HeartKeys over at PW has an acoustic 280 VC and had some pretty high praise for it, too!

Thank you Andy - was happy to see someone with an acoustic VC speaking well of the new Bösendorfer on pianoworld - I agree mostly with HeartKey's assessment there. Really beautiful and versatile piano which feels like home, for a great range of styles.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

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Hi folks,  like some others, I am really enjoying this new piano pack.  I have played with it, bought it and now it has become my go to one, when playing.

I usually do not write much on forum, but with this piano pack I couldn't stand by and say nothing.  I really like that one!

Cheers!

Sordess
Author of PTQ Client Webapp: (https://github.com/robert-rc2i/ptq-client-webapp)
Kawai CA79

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Here is a link to a piece played on a real 280vc which I will dedicate here to the long term future of sampled virtual pianos:

https://youtu.be/wwn87d1BDqg?feature=shared

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Will Bösendorfer also run under 7.x?

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Heinrich wrote:

Will Bösendorfer also run under 7.x?

Don't be silly.

8.3 and above.

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Key Fumbler wrote:
Heinrich wrote:

Will Bösendorfer also run under 7.x?

Don't be silly.

8.3 and above.

Silly? Was just asking..


too bad it won't run under 7.x

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Heinrich wrote:

Will Bösendorfer also run under 7.x?

Hello Heinrich,

You must have at least version 8.3 installed (https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_changes).
You can upgrade from V7 to V8 for 29€ (https://www.modartt.com/buy)
This upgrade fee is reasonable (IMHO) and that's one of the reasons I love Pianoteq so much ( I've been updating from V2 :-) )
If you want you can keep earlier versions installed.
Cheers

Last edited by mfiadeiro (14-06-2024 17:39)

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Heinrich wrote:

Silly? Was just asking..

It’s just the way Pianoteq works. When you “buy” a new piano model, you don’t download any new code or data, you just activate what is already in the software. No piano model can “run under” a version of Pianoteq older than the one in which it was introduced, because it doesn’t exist in that version to be activated.

So it sounds silly to someone who already knows that.

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Heinrich wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:
Heinrich wrote:

Will Bösendorfer also run under 7.x?

Don't be silly.

8.3 and above.

Silly? Was just asking..


too bad it won't run under 7.x

As they add new models so you have to upgrade with the model. It's only major versions where you have to pay for the software upgrade - and even sometimes then if you recently bought Pianoteq before the upgrade they'll update you for free - though obviously that has a cut-off point.


Sorry  my reply seemed too harsh, but if you are stuck on 7 a vastly better upgrade is going to 8. Getting just one extra pack for more money is bonkers.

To the best of my knowledge when Pianoteq releases a new model that model is never backwards compatible.
However any current version of Pianoteq is backwards compatible with the existing models. Also updates are the cheapest thing they offer so they are a no brainer.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (14-06-2024 19:04)

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Impressive demo of the 280vc from a user on the forum here:

https://youtu.be/vKrQ353ZuC0?feature=shared

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Got it because it was Keith Jarrett's preferred piano. If it was good enough for Keith, it's way too much to me.

Does anyone have any points comparing this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnumxzixP5w

Last edited by pfylim (15-06-2024 09:17)

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Of course you all are right. The instrument packs are part of the Pianoteq installation and simply have to be enabled for use.
For a moment I mixed them up with packs like KIViR.ptq which indeed have to be installed and may or may not require a particular Pianoteq version.
The reason I am still using V7 is not the money for upgrade. Actually I have purchased and installed V8. But with V8 I cannot use the touchscreen connected to my Mac to select presets any more. I must use the mouse, which already scuffed the surface of my VPC1.
But I am confident that I will manage to get along without the Bösendorfer ;-)

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Heinrich wrote:

But with V8 I cannot use the touchscreen connected to my Mac to select presets any more. I must use the mouse, which already scuffed the surface of my VPC1.

Have you reported the problem to Modartt support? The support team is always very keen to resolve such problems. Especially in combination with VNC connections or with the iOS interface, there have been some adjustments to how the software reacts to touchscreen inputs. I can't believe that it was intentional that your touchscreen no longer works with V8.

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Cartoons made this composition famous as the theme for death.

I friendly challenge you, or other member, to turn this sad tuning into a happy jazz.

:-)

I remamber someone who made a new trailer for The Shining, making it feels like a family holiday movie.


https://youtu.be/yDCEscm7_uM?si=nG5mUXLOtQKt-sOm

Key Fumbler wrote:

Here is a link to a piece played on a real 280vc which I will dedicate here to the long term future of sampled virtual pianos:

https://youtu.be/wwn87d1BDqg?feature=shared

Last edited by Beto-Music (15-06-2024 13:38)

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So far, the most beautiful recording I found from Bösendorfer VC280 was this one:

https://youtu.be/SUZIB1WityA?si=kKpctum0uQluIyBD

I like how the harp frame's sound appears & feels to came a bit later than the strings sounds, giving a very nice hint in a sense of harmony when single notes are distinct. 
Also this is the warmest VC280 among all videos I saw.
A preset like that could be a very good idea.

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Beto-Music wrote:

So far, the most beautiful recording I found from Bösendorfer VC280 was this one:

https://youtu.be/SUZIB1WityA?si=kKpctum0uQluIyBD

I like how the harp frame's sound appears & feels to came a bit later than the strings sounds, giving a very nice hint in a sense of harmony when single notes are distinct. 
Also this is the warmest VC280 among all videos I saw.
A preset like that could be a very good idea.

Yes I watched that one before I found the lovely funeral march - and posted that for a bit of humour.

Yes, it's very good.
https://youtu.be/20xstCWkBco?feature=shared


Beto-Music wrote:

Cartoons made this composition famous as the theme for death.

I friendly challenge you, or other member, to turn this sad tuning into a happy jazz.

:-)

I remamber someone who made a new trailer for The Shining, making it feels like a family holiday movie.


https://youtu.be/yDCEscm7_uM?si=nG5mUXLOtQKt-sOm

Key Fumbler wrote:

Here is a link to a piece played on a real 280vc which I will dedicate here to the long term future of sampled virtual pianos:

https://youtu.be/wwn87d1BDqg?feature=shared

I've seen plenty of these alternative cut trailers over the years - great fun. It's remarkable just how much you can change the whole perception of footage just by cutting it differently, and changing the soundtrack - obvious stuff really when you think about it, but some skillful editing has made for some highly amusing videos. Similar is how Ross from Friends actually looks like an unhinged psychopath when you simply remove the laughter track (also on YT).

Last edited by Key Fumbler (15-06-2024 14:20)

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no6mis wrote:
Heinrich wrote:

But with V8 I cannot use the touchscreen connected to my Mac to select presets any more. I must use the mouse, which already scuffed the surface of my VPC1.

Have you reported the problem to Modartt support? The support team is always very keen to resolve such problems. Especially in combination with VNC connections or with the iOS interface, there have been some adjustments to how the software reacts to touchscreen inputs. I can't believe that it was intentional that your touchscreen no longer works with V8.

Yes, I reported. They simply say that Apple does not support touch screen under MacOS, which is indeed true meaning that it does work, but is not officially supported. However the change in the way how Pianoteq reacts to mouse (== touch screen) events makes it impossible to select presets on the touch screen. For me this is an annoying regression from V7 to V8.

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Heinrich wrote:

Yes, I reported. They simply say that Apple does not support touch screen under MacOS,

I had a similar problem controlling Pianoteq 8 on a raspberry pi using a tablet via VNC.
The response from support at the time was by no means a simple rejection, but a detailed answer that they were thinking about a solution:

We have changed the way the preset menu work so that a simple mouse click on an instrument name selects its default preset instead of opening the sub-menu. It does that only if the user is using a mouse, if he is clicking on a touch screen, pianoteq just opens the submenu. The problem you have is that you are using a touch screen, but pianoteq is not aware of that and thinks you are using a mouse (because of VNC).

So we will need to think about that , we may have to roll back that feature, or at least change it, for cases such as yours.

And at least in my variant it now also works via VNC.

Even if this is off-topic here in the thread...
@Julien, maybe Heinrich's problem could be solved by a setting that forces the touchscreen mode of Pianoteq.

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no6mis wrote:
Heinrich wrote:

Yes, I reported. They simply say that Apple does not support touch screen under MacOS,

I had a similar problem controlling Pianoteq 8 on a raspberry pi using a tablet via VNC.
The response from support at the time was by no means a simple rejection, but a detailed answer that they were thinking about a solution:

We have changed the way the preset menu work so that a simple mouse click on an instrument name selects its default preset instead of opening the sub-menu. It does that only if the user is using a mouse, if he is clicking on a touch screen, pianoteq just opens the submenu. The problem you have is that you are using a touch screen, but pianoteq is not aware of that and thinks you are using a mouse (because of VNC).

So we will need to think about that , we may have to roll back that feature, or at least change it, for cases such as yours.

And at least in my variant it now also works via VNC.

Even if this is off-topic here in the thread...
@Julien, maybe Heinrich's problem could be solved by a setting that forces the touchscreen mode of Pianoteq.

Thank you, that sounds like good news. We'll see what happens..

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Thank you and Comgratulations to all in the Modartt team! Bösendorfer is fantastic, a success.

I have already made music with four different presets, Warm, Jazz recording, Felt 1 and New Age. Can be listened to on the other side, Recordings featuring Ptq and Orgtq. As with Classical guitar, I will have a thread with "All my Bösendorfer music in one place, growing". For those interested, come to ”the other side” from time to time 
Here an example, the beautiful sound of preset New Age

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=11583

All the best, everyone

Stig

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Does anyone here know if those of us with Studio (which includes all instruments) should receive the Bösendorfer free as part of Studio, or if we are expected to purchase it? It shows up as included with new versions of Studio (on the product page), but I’m not sure it applies to previous purchases. I know I have received new instruments free (such as the guitar), but Pianoteq 8.3 indicates I have to purchase the new one. I don’t mind the $49 (great deal either way), but don’t want to spend $$ unnecessarily.

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sharpnine wrote:

Does anyone here know if those of us with Studio (which includes all instruments) should receive the Bösendorfer free as part of Studio, or if we are expected to purchase it? It shows up as included with new versions of Studio (on the product page), but I’m not sure it applies to previous purchases. I know I have received new instruments free (such as the guitar), but Pianoteq 8.3 indicates I have to purchase the new one. I don’t mind the $49 (great deal either way), but don’t want to spend $$ unnecessarily.

On this page https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_pro
In addition to the above, forthcoming instrument packs and upgrades, to be released within one year from the date of registration, will be available for free.

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sharpnine wrote:

Does anyone here know if those of us with Studio (which includes all instruments) should receive the Bösendorfer free as part of Studio, or if we are expected to purchase it? It shows up as included with new versions of Studio (on the product page), but I’m not sure it applies to previous purchases. I know I have received new instruments free (such as the guitar), but Pianoteq 8.3 indicates I have to purchase the new one. I don’t mind the $49 (great deal either way), but don’t want to spend $$ unnecessarily.

Playing the Boesendorfer right now as user of the "everything included"-Studio packagke - so the answer is definitely yes.

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axantas wrote:
sharpnine wrote:

Does anyone here know if those of us with Studio (which includes all instruments) should receive the Bösendorfer free as part of Studio, or if we are expected to purchase it? It shows up as included with new versions of Studio (on the product page), but I’m not sure it applies to previous purchases. I know I have received new instruments free (such as the guitar), but Pianoteq 8.3 indicates I have to purchase the new one. I don’t mind the $49 (great deal either way), but don’t want to spend $$ unnecessarily.

Playing the Boesendorfer right now as user of the "everything included"-Studio packagke - so the answer is definitely yes.

As YvesTh  pointed out:

Modartt website wrote:

"In addition to the above, forthcoming instrument packs and upgrades, to be released within one year from the date of registration, will be available for free."

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sharpnine wrote:

Pianoteq 8.3 indicates I have to purchase the new one.

Be sure to do Help | About | Update license before assuming it is not included.

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YvesTh wrote:

On this page https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_pro
In addition to the above, forthcoming instrument packs and upgrades, to be released within one year from the date of registration, will be available for free.

Thanks, I see the note now, about 1 year limit for free instruments. As my license is over a year old I am sure that’s the reason.
Well, it’s a good deal even at $49. I love that getting a new instrument doesn’t require downloading 10-30 gigs of sample data, as some sampled pianos do. In fact it doesn’t require downloading anything.

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sharpnine wrote:
YvesTh wrote:

On this page https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_pro
In addition to the above, forthcoming instrument packs and upgrades, to be released within one year from the date of registration, will be available for free.

Thanks, I see the note now, about 1 year limit for free instruments. As my license is over a year old I am sure that’s the reason.
Well, it’s a good deal even at $49. I love that getting a new instrument doesn’t require downloading 10-30 gigs of sample data, as some sampled pianos do. In fact it doesn’t require downloading anything.

Indeed VSL Synchron 280vc alone!:

Installed File Size    28.8 GB    from 51.1 GB

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Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

Thank you and Comgratulations to all in the Modartt team! Bösendorfer is fantastic, a success.

I have already made music with four different presets, Warm, Jazz recording, Felt 1 and New Age. Can be listened to on the other side, Recordings featuring Ptq and Orgtq. As with Classical guitar, I will have a thread with "All my Bösendorfer music in one place, growing". For those interested, come to ”the other side” from time to time 
Here an example, the beautiful sound of preset New Age

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=11583

All the best, everyone

Stig

Indeed, that New Age preset is marvelous.

Pianoteq Pro Studio with Bösendorfer, Shigeru Kawai and Organteq

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I really love this piano model, both how it feels and how it sounds.

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I really enjoyed playing this piano today. I gave the piano a run through with various things I've been working on such as Rachmaninov's Elégé and Chopin's Piano Concerto No. 1 Op. 11in e minor.

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All I can say at a time like this ... I love it!!! Thank You oh great Modartt!.. I can't stop playing it.. !

Pianoteq 8, most pianos, Studiologic 73 Piano, Casio Px-560M, PX-S 3000, PX-S 1100, PX-S 7000, Mac i27 and MacBook Pro M3, SS Logic SSL 2

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snurrfint wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

Given that we now have this excellent official model of the Bosendorfer 280vc I wonder if we will see the YC5 further refined/tweaked or replaced with an official Yamaha branded version like we saw with the D models from Steinway?

I was wondering the same thing actually.

But, if I were Yamaha, I would buy modarrt straight up without thinking twice, and put the pianoteq model inside all premium digital pianos going forward. They could even integrate it into the smart pianist app for all existing models if they wanted to later.

Modeling has surpassed sampling in playability by a wide margin and there is just not enough power and space available in digital pianos to run high quality samples that could compete with pianoteq or any other VST for that matter. On top of that, they get basically an infinite amount of voices for next to no footprint and can offer much higher customisation of sounds and effects.

They can still sell Pianoteq as a standalone VST for producers and enthusiasts.


I hope Yamaha never buys it! I want Modartt to remain independent and brand-neutral. The thought of one manufacturer controlling Pianoteq chills me.

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Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

Thank you and Comgratulations to all in the Modartt team! Bösendorfer is fantastic, a success.

I have already made music with four different presets, Warm, Jazz recording, Felt 1 and New Age. Can be listened to on the other side, Recordings featuring Ptq and Orgtq. As with Classical guitar, I will have a thread with "All my Bösendorfer music in one place, growing". For those interested, come to ”the other side” from time to time 
Here an example, the beautiful sound of preset New Age

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=11583

All the best, everyone

Stig

Absolutely beautiful!

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https://youtu.be/FYwednzzO3g?si=y-oy-Znkss9VPqba