Hello Everyone,
I figure that we have some pretty clever people on this forum and certainly working at Modartt.
I reckon, that if Pianoteq produced an actual digital piano with their wonderful piano sonds built in, it would sell like hot cakes.
Or, maybe someone out there has figured out how to get Pianoteq pianos onto a digital piano without going through some sort of computer.
Has anyone done this yet?
Rob
That uses an iPad.
I'd like to be able to add the Pianoteq sound directly into my digital piano. The Roland digital pianos can import sounds into their main directory, but it has to a particulary type, a .bin, and the Pianoteq is not compatible.
I use the Pianoteq App on my iPad 10, but as the latest iPad has no audio jack, we are forced to use Bluetooth to send the sound to the speakers, and the lag is the issue with this process.
Rob
For me, it would depend on the action, controls, I/O, and price.
I agree they could make the most playable digital piano on the market if they partnered with the right manufacturer, but it's already really convenient (as Key Fumbler noted), to run Pianoteq without a laptop/desktop computer. Even more so if your digital piano has an integrated audio interface, as most manufacturers are now including.
If you don't have an iOS device, lots of folks have built some creative solutions using Raspberry Pi or similar small form-factor Linux devices that can be easily attached to the digital piano and hidden from view if desired.
Don't get me wrong, if I could swap out my keyboard for something with nice tactile controls tailored specifically to Pianoteq, along with some premium key action and a synth engine on par with something like the Nord Stage series, I'd consider it (depending on price).
Right now, if I want to play without a computer, I just connect one cable to my phone and I'm all set. Not a lot of friction for me, especially compared to the risk of buying an action I likely wouldn't be able to try for myself before purchasing.
I use the Pianoteq App on my iPad 10, but as the latest iPad has no audio jack, we are forced to use Bluetooth to send the sound to the speakers, and the lag is the issue with this process.
Rob
Which Roland do you have? If it doesn't already have an integrated audio interface, you could address the latency with a USB audio interface. It's yet one more device to add besides the piano and iPad, but would be much better latency than BT audio.
I have a Roland FA-08, and a Yamaha P-15.
The iisue is, when I have either keyboard pluged into my iPad 10, and use the Pianoteq app, the only way to get the sound to a set of speakers is via Bluetooth, hence the lag.
When I use the Pianoteq app on my Windows 11 laptop, which has an audio jack, connected to either piano, no lag and no problems.
Best,
Rob
I reckon Modartt should get into bed with the digital piano makers and offer Pianoteq to to them. I reckon they would clean up if they did this. And, there would be millions of very happy piano players around the world.
I have a Roland FA-08, it's old, but it still has one of the best feeling set of keys on any digital piano. The piano sound quality is good too, but it's not Pianoteq quality.
I have a Roland FA-08, and a Yamaha P-15.
The iisue is, when I have either keyboard pluged into my iPad 10, and use the Pianoteq app, the only way to get the sound to a set of speakers is via Bluetooth, hence the lag.
When I use the Pianoteq app on my Windows 11 laptop, which has an audio jack, connected to either piano, no lag and no problems.
Best,
Rob
You can plug your phone and digital piano into a powered USB hub along with an audio interface, and send audio over USB from your phone to the interface.
I’m afraid I do not understand that.
I have one usb slot on the iPad, which the piano is plugged into.
Can you show me how this is done?
Best,
Rob
I’m afraid I do not understand that.
I have one usb slot on the iPad, which the piano is plugged into.
Can you show me how this is done?
Best,
Rob
You bet! You can plug a USB hub into your phone, which essentially gives it several USB ports so you can connect them all together. There’s some good discussion here with pictures, and links to specific products:
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php...06#p991706
Ah, I see what you mean. I have a Satechi usb hub, but when I plug it into the iPad, and the piano into the hub, Pianoteq is not recognising the piano. Plus there is a huge amount of feed back noise when I plug my speakers into the hub.
Hello Everyone,
I figure that we have some pretty clever people on this forum and certainly working at Modartt.
I reckon, that if Pianoteq produced an actual digital piano with their wonderful piano sonds built in, it would sell like hot cakes.
Or, maybe someone out there has figured out how to get Pianoteq pianos onto a digital piano without going through some sort of computer.
Has anyone done this yet?
Rob
In my opinion, it won't sell like hot cakes and it will be lots of work.
What they could do (and perhaps should) is coordinating with some hw vendors such as sparkfun or the like and offer a Raspberry Pi or Odroid with a good audio interface in a nice form factor, with everything pre-installed and controllable with any device. The new REST api goes in that direction, but the hw is lacking. However that would still be a fair amount of work and probably not provide enough revenue to justify it.
What could be just a little bit of work would be a recommended hw/sw setup (again, like the RPi or Odroid) and perhaps a discount code (like they do with QRS), leaving all the work (and profits) to the hw vendors. This will work well for Modartt. But it would be peanuts for the hw vendors, so I'm not holding my breath either...
Ah, I see what you mean. I have a Satechi usb hub, but when I plug it into the iPad, and the piano into the hub, Pianoteq is not recognising the piano. Plus there is a huge amount of feed back noise when I plug my speakers into the hub.
That's odd -- does your phone recognize other USB devices with that same hub? This configuration is (I think) what most folks on the forum are using from what I gather.
I'm wondering if the noise is a ground loop... does it sound like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdQdLBuIaF4
I've tried most things and cannot get it to work. I'm looking for a simple solution, but that may not be possible.
I still reckon if Modartt talked to a manafacturer and got their product built into a digital piano, that would be a game changer.
All the best now.
Rob
Rather than a dedicated Pianoteq digital piano (or in additional to) I reckon a desktop module would be a successful product, like a desktop synth running pianoteq with buttons for main features (with further adjustments available by connecting a computer). I already have a decent digital piano (Korg D1) nice build and keys, but doesn't sound anywhere as good as Pianoteq which I also use as a midi controller for hardware and software synths... I would buy one (hopefully there's a discount for those of us who have already purchased Pianoteq software.... This could be built on a Raspberry Pi... or perhaps someone with more technical skills and time than me could create one... (to which we just need to add our licence code).
I've tried Pianoteq on a Raspberry 4B, and although it works pretty well, it occasional needs resetting...and I can't change instruments unless I log in (which is a hassle when the intention is to use Pianoteq without a computer & monitor - standalone)
Rather than a dedicated Pianoteq digital piano (or in additional to) I reckon a desktop module would be a successful product, [. . . ] I would buy one (hopefully there's a discount for those of us who have already purchased Pianoteq software.... This could be built on a Raspberry Pi... or perhaps someone with more technical skills and time than me could create one... (to which we just need to add our licence code).
I've tried Pianoteq on a Raspberry 4B, and although it works pretty well, it occasional needs resetting...and I can't change instruments unless I log in (which is a hassle when the intention is to use Pianoteq without a computer & monitor - standalone)
Any recent iPhone has several times greater computing power than a Raspberry 4B. I don't see any dedicated desktop module happening. Why would anyone develop and try to market a desktop module when a $100 used iPhone can run Pianoteq as well as anyone could need?
Rather than a dedicated Pianoteq digital piano (or in additional to) I reckon a desktop module would be a successful product, like a desktop synth running pianoteq with buttons for main features (with further adjustments available by connecting a computer). I already have a decent digital piano (Korg D1) nice build and keys, but doesn't sound anywhere as good as Pianoteq which I also use as a midi controller for hardware and software synths... I would buy one (hopefully there's a discount for those of us who have already purchased Pianoteq software.... This could be built on a Raspberry Pi... or perhaps someone with more technical skills and time than me could create one... (to which we just need to add our licence code).
I've tried Pianoteq on a Raspberry 4B, and although it works pretty well, it occasional needs resetting...and I can't change instruments unless I log in (which is a hassle when the intention is to use Pianoteq without a computer & monitor - standalone)
Although full control of Pianoteq requires a screen, quite a lot of Pianoteq can be controlled by a midi controller. Pianoteq selections can be mapped to specific codes sent by the controller. That may be a good option to consider. The reset problem might be caused by a poor midi adapter if usb midi is unavailable.
Pianoteq should hook up with Kawai. Like what Nord did. Pianoteq can run on any processor so this is a non issue. Licence the best keyed from Kawai and build it yourself. Preferably with multi layering + morphing capabilities. Keep it simple, no lcd, no lights! Build it to last. Nord keyboards just look like xmas trees and should only be played during the xmas season.
The problem with the Nord Grand 2 is that their Kawai keybed is still inferior to the MP11's. For what they are asking it's a bit of a money grab.
Pianoteq should hook up with Kawai. Like what Nord did. Pianoteq can run on any processor so this is a non issue. Licence the best keyed from Kawai and build it yourself. Preferably with multi layering + morphing capabilities. Keep it simple, no lcd, no lights! Build it to last. Nord keyboards just look like xmas trees and should only be played during the xmas season.
The problem with the Nord Grand 2 is that their Kawai keybed is still inferior to the MP11's. For what they are asking it's a bit of a money grab.
I and many others have had bad experiences with QC issues with Kawai digitals. Velocity inconsistencies being just one. Others have mentioned paint peeling. I
Personally experienced the former, but not the latter. However I also was not impressed with the build quality of the keys. Kawai use laminate on their VPC1 (the model I owned) and the machining was terribly shoddy.
There would be big problem with Modartt hooking up with anyone. There would be so many different opinions and favoured/non favoured brands etc. It would be a minefield and not good for Modartt. If Modartt designs and builds their own controller/piano from the ground up (Phillipe Guillaume used to be a piano technician), then that would be one option that would avoid the "I prefer Roland, I prefer Yamaha etc.etc." scenario.
Warmest regards,
Chris
pfylim wrote:Pianoteq should hook up with Kawai. Like what Nord did. Pianoteq can run on any processor so this is a non issue. Licence the best keyed from Kawai and build it yourself. Preferably with multi layering + morphing capabilities. Keep it simple, no lcd, no lights! Build it to last. Nord keyboards just look like xmas trees and should only be played during the xmas season.
The problem with the Nord Grand 2 is that their Kawai keybed is still inferior to the MP11's. For what they are asking it's a bit of a money grab.
I and many others have had bad experiences with QC issues with Kawai digitals. Velocity inconsistencies being just one. Others have mentioned paint peeling. I
Personally experienced the former, but not the latter. However I also was not impressed with the build quality of the keys. Kawai use laminate on their VPC1 (the model I owned) and the machining was terribly shoddy.There would be big problem with Modartt hooking up with anyone. There would be so many different opinions and favoured/non favoured brands etc. It would be a minefield and not good for Modartt. If Modartt designs and builds their own controller/piano from the ground up (Phillipe Guillaume used to be a piano technician), then that would be one option that would avoid the "I prefer Roland, I prefer Yamaha etc.etc." scenario.
Warmest regards,
Chris
There is no way modartt would get a head start on the Japanese key makers. They have done this too long and know their business. Partnering would be the best option. Nord did it quite successfully with an inferior keybed.
I also have the VPC1. No issue with paint. I dial in different vel curves if im not feeling it. but I am secretly waiting for the MP12. if it comes out im getting it. In hindsight I should have gotten the mp11.
sigasa wrote:pfylim wrote:Pianoteq should hook up with Kawai. Like what Nord did. Pianoteq can run on any processor so this is a non issue. Licence the best keyed from Kawai and build it yourself. Preferably with multi layering + morphing capabilities. Keep it simple, no lcd, no lights! Build it to last. Nord keyboards just look like xmas trees and should only be played during the xmas season.
The problem with the Nord Grand 2 is that their Kawai keybed is still inferior to the MP11's. For what they are asking it's a bit of a money grab.
I and many others have had bad experiences with QC issues with Kawai digitals. Velocity inconsistencies being just one. Others have mentioned paint peeling. I
Personally experienced the former, but not the latter. However I also was not impressed with the build quality of the keys. Kawai use laminate on their VPC1 (the model I owned) and the machining was terribly shoddy.There would be big problem with Modartt hooking up with anyone. There would be so many different opinions and favoured/non favoured brands etc. It would be a minefield and not good for Modartt. If Modartt designs and builds their own controller/piano from the ground up (Phillipe Guillaume used to be a piano technician), then that would be one option that would avoid the "I prefer Roland, I prefer Yamaha etc.etc." scenario.
Warmest regards,
Chris
There is no way modartt would get a head start on the Japanese key makers. They have done this too long and know their business. Partnering would be the best option. Nord did it quite successfully with an inferior keybed.
I also have the VPC1. No issue with paint. I dial in different vel curves if im not feeling it. but I am secretly waiting for the MP12. if it comes out im getting it. In hindsight I should have gotten the mp11.
Pleased you yourself have had no issues,
Warmest regards,
Chris
iPad solution works really well so there is really no need for a specific digital piano. However, if they ever did team up with someone like M-audio or Studiologic to create one with the model built in, I bet it would sell quite well just for people who dont want to buy an iOS device. You would lose some of the simplicity of the controls without a proper screen though, so it would have to be dumbed down, or very expensive.
Im using a CSP-170 directly connected with usb-c and nothing else is required. I turn the volume of the main instrument down to 0 in the smart pianist app and then I get the sound through the CSP-170 speakers.
Most modern digital pianos have the option to send audio through USB. I think Korg D1 and Roland FP-30 are two of the least expensive options. if you dont have the USB audio option you can always just buy a usp hub with an aux out jack and connect it to the ipad and problem solved.
My next project is to fit a Roland fp10 inside my old grandmas piano and kit it up with great speakers inside. I intend to run it with ipad and pianoteq with the roland sounds as a backup for when I dont have my ipad availible. I only need to find the time and space to work on it.