Topic: Interior monologue?

When practicing or performing, do readers have any particular things they do with their mind, especially with "self talk"?

Whether quietly or out loud, I am interested in both.

My teacher has me say certain finger numbers out loud when I do the scales.  I am going to experiment with saying note names and finger numbers when I practice similar 3rds and such.  Some people sing, which my teacher encourages.

Currently, my mind wanders and I think about dinner or work, but I feel like if I have a self talk practice it would help my focus.

Please share your thoughts!  Thanks!

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I've spent most of this year focusing on groove/rhythmic cells and thinking only of mantras while I play. It's made my playing much more musical!

Phil Best has lots of great content on this (and just about anything related to musical fluency), here's a good overview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UdgQwp-XbE

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For learning rhythm, most teachers seem to think it's very important to count.  I think Phil might be an exception there.

I mostly try to focus on what's coming up next to make sure I'm mentally ready for it, because I find that one of the biggest causes of mistakes.  I hate those "oh sh*t" moments when I remember the next thing I need to do when it's too late (like noticing the sign for the street where you're supposed to turn just as you're passing it).  When flying airplanes (especially instrument flying), there's an expression "staying ahead of the airplane" which is sort of the same idea.

My biggest problem is that when I'm practicing slowly, there's enough idle time that my mind will wander completely off of what I'm doing and it's hard to stay focused on what's coming up next.  The worst is when muscle memory starts to set in, so that it feels like I can play on autopilot when I really can't and it's very easy to get distracted by other thoughts.

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kanefsky wrote:

For learning rhythm, most teachers seem to think it's very important to count.  I think Phil might be an exception there.

I think in western music that might be true (it certainly has been my experience with every prior instructor), but it's my understanding that systems like Takadimi, Kodály, etc. are often used in cultures where rhythm is the primary focus.

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wws wrote:

When practicing or performing, do readers have any particular things they do with their mind, especially with "self talk"?

Interesting question. I've never really thought about what I think about. ;^)

My enjoyment in playing comes largely from letting go of the mundane and getting absorbed in the sound and the feedback between my gestures and the sound. Most often I think I'm focused on the nuances of the sound that my articulation is producing, and trying to control it to get exactly the effect I want. As a non-sight-reader who mostly improvises and occasionally learns other things by ear (or a combination of slow-reading and ear), note choice and rhythm is mostly muscle memory for me though I might make spontaneous decisions about the arrangement or when to play a "known" variation of notes/rhythm or improvise something new. I tend to be a little more deliberate and analytical about these choices when I'm playing for an audience (i.e. my wife and/or friends) and more spontaneous when playing/improvising purely for myself. YMMV but, In general, I find that the lizard brain is a better musician than the frontal cortex, and "thinking" too much tends to be detrimental to the music.

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Well, here's my little internal monologue story (ongoing): 

I am trying to learn parallel 3rds from the ABRSM scale manual.  I can't look at the keys because the fingering is tricky and you have to follow it in the sheet music, and I found it super hard to remember when to flat or sharp a note because of the key. 

I tried to visualize my hands without any self talk, and that was super hard. 

So tonight I tried saying the root note as I played -- in F, it's F, G, A, B, C, D, E, F,  following the left hand.  The RH plays A, B, etc.  I know the B is flatted, and I can remember that when the LH plays G, the RH plays B so it's flatted there.  It's still hard, but suddenly became possible.

I am going to try to visualize harder in future practice, but saying the root note grounds my visualization.  I found it super interesting, and like my brain just used up a lot of glucose...

(My teacher would probably scribble up the sheet music with lots of cheating notes/ tablature, but I want to learn without training wheels, so I am probably just going to keep this process to myself...)

Anyway, thought it might be interesting.

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wws wrote:

Well, here's my little internal monologue story (ongoing): 

I am trying to learn parallel 3rds from the ABRSM scale manual.  I can't look at the keys because the fingering is tricky and you have to follow it in the sheet music, and I found it super hard to remember when to flat or sharp a note because of the key. 

I tried to visualize my hands without any self talk, and that was super hard. 

So tonight I tried saying the root note as I played -- in F, it's F, G, A, B, C, D, E, F,  following the left hand.  The RH plays A, B, etc.  I know the B is flatted, and I can remember that when the LH plays G, the RH plays B so it's flatted there.  It's still hard, but suddenly became possible.

I am going to try to visualize harder in future practice, but saying the root note grounds my visualization.  I found it super interesting, and like my brain just used up a lot of glucose...

(My teacher would probably scribble up the sheet music with lots of cheating notes/ tablature, but I want to learn without training wheels, so I am probably just going to keep this process to myself...)

Anyway, thought it might be interesting.

Yes, for me it is interesting. Thank you, wws. Very interesting. I took lessons when I was young, but the teacher said I will never be a pianist as I couldn't keep rhythm and beat.... Very sad I quit and since then have taught myself and am still learning in this forum. And have now participated 10 times in the video contest, uploaded 500 pieces Ptq and Orgtq in recordings so far,  so even though I'm not a pianist, I've learned quite a lot as I play both ptq and orgtq. I am playing every day, been retired 15 years. There were people who during the "journey"  encouraged me, and still encourage me here in the forum as well.
Wish you good luck, never give up.  I didn’t and am glad for that

All the best,

Stig

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Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

Yes, for me it is interesting. Thank you, wws. Very interesting. I took lessons when I was young, but the teacher said I will never be a pianist as I couldn't keep rhythm and beat.... Very sad I quit and since then have taught myself and am still learning in this forum. And have now participated 10 times in the video contest, uploaded 500 pieces Ptq and Orgtq in recordings so far, [...]

That's great to hear! 

(I am sorry you ran into a teacher who thought s/he was a "gatekeeper" ....)

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Interior monologue update:

While practicing parallel 3rds in D last night, I tried singing "moveable do" in solfege along with the root note.  I helped more than the absolute letter name because I could "see" that the sharpened notes were on Ti and Mi in the root, and also relate that to other keys like G more obviously.  Using scale degree numbers (D=1, E=2 etc) would have been similar but less traditional and musical  than solfege syllables.

Anyway...