Topic: iOS app?
Maybe this has been debated before, but any news on a possible release date for this? would be real handy to me.
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Miguel.
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The Namm show is coming soon.
I don't know if they've ever launched anything or shown anything work in progress there?
Follow the news feed you'll be as wise as the rest of us that aren't in the inner circle!:
https://www.modartt.com/news
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Someone in iPad musician facebook group claimed it was coming in the next sixty days (as of feb 23rd).
I take it with a grain of salt.
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Hello all, I'm new to this forum and new to PianoTeq in general, so sorry if there's an obvious answer, but-- I'd like to get Pianoteq when the iOS version is available for my iPhone 12. I understand the need for a cable from my keyboard to the phone. But for the output of Pianoteq, would iPhone support the audio out through the same lightning port? In other words, is a "Y" connecter possible that would send Midi input to the phone, and analog out for headphones?
thanks in advance!
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winstrasbourg wrote:
Hello all, I'm new to this forum and new to PianoTeq in general, so sorry if there's an obvious answer, but-- I'd like to get Pianoteq when the iOS version is available for my iPhone 12. I understand the need for a cable from my keyboard to the phone. But for the output of Pianoteq, would iPhone support the audio out through the same lightning port? In other words, is a "Y" connecter possible that would send Midi input to the phone, and analog out for headphones?
thanks in advance!
Hi,
For iPhone 12, you'll need to buy the USB accessory with the audio jack on the accessory (optional)
1- Plug-in the accessory in your phone using the lightning port
2- Plug-in the keyboard in the USB-A port your accessory
3- There is two methods for the audio
3.1- Plug-in an audio interface in the USB-A port (You'll need to select this audio interface in Pianoteq)
3.2- Plug-in your audio cable in the accessory (You'll need to select the iPhone audio interface in Pianoteq. Should be selected by default)
Here is an example of a product at Amazon - https://www.amazon.ca/Adapter-Lightning...B0BNHSKXYT
Note: I have used the above methods with other midi software. I have not tested the product shown above, as I have used the official camera adapter of my iPhone with a generic USB HUB.
Hope this help
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sordess wrote:
winstrasbourg wrote:Hello all, I'm new to this forum and new to PianoTeq in general, so sorry if there's an obvious answer, but-- I'd like to get Pianoteq when the iOS version is available for my iPhone 12. I understand the need for a cable from my keyboard to the phone. But for the output of Pianoteq, would iPhone support the audio out through the same lightning port? In other words, is a "Y" connecter possible that would send Midi input to the phone, and analog out for headphones?
thanks in advance!Hi,
For iPhone 12, you'll need to buy the USB accessory with the audio jack on the accessory (optional)
1- Plug-in the accessory in your phone using the lightning port
2- Plug-in the keyboard in the USB-A port your accessory
3- There is two methods for the audio
3.1- Plug-in an audio interface in the USB-A port (You'll need to select this audio interface in Pianoteq)
3.2- Plug-in your audio cable in the accessory (You'll need to select the iPhone audio interface in Pianoteq. Should be selected by default)Here is an example of a product at Amazon - https://www.amazon.ca/Adapter-Lightning...B0BNHSKXYT
Note: I have used the above methods with other midi software. I have not tested the product shown above, as I have used the official camera adapter of my iPhone with a generic USB HUB.
Hope this help
There is another alternative for using an iPhone 12 (or any other iPhone with lightning port):
1. Connect keyboard to iPhone via a Bluetooth MIDI connection. Many keyboards have Bluetooth MIDI built-in, e.g., my entry level Roland FP-10. If you have a keyboard that doesn't have Bluetooth MIDI built-in, then you can buy one of several midi-to-bluetooth-midi adapters for around $60. These adapters attach to your keyboard's USB MIDI port or its 5-pin MIDI DIN plug. iOS has Bluetooth MIDI support built-in so that's an issue on the phone end of things.
2. The Bluetooth MIDI gives you a wireless/cable-less connection between keyboard and Pianoteq on the iPhone.
3. iPhone 12 doesn't have an audio jack, but you can get the $9 Apple adapter that converts your lightning port to an audio jack. Here's a link to that adapter: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX6...ck-adapter You will not be able to power the iPhone while it is using this adapter, so your phone will be running on battery power.
That's it. Bluetooth MIDI has low latency, though probably slightly greater than it would be with a USB-MIDI cable connection. Bluetooth Audio (which is what most people think of when they think of Bluetooth) has very high latency, but Bluetooth MIDI is an entirely different animal, many keyboardists are happily using Bluetooth MIDI.
Even if you decide not to connect iPhone this way, it's an alternative people should be aware of.
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Thank you both Sordess and Hesitz. This was all useful info, and I'll look further at both approaches. I certainly didn't know of the difference in latency between Bluetooth Audio and MIDI (I didn't even know there was a separate spec for MIDI!). thanks again.
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I just got Pianoteq on ios after I found out it is released. I've connected ipad to audio interface but first- midi does not work, for some reason, audio does work through audio interface. Second there are lots of audio distortions each time I press the key(by using bluetooth midi instead of audio interface one), any ideas?
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Nordomus wrote:
I just got Pianoteq on ios after I found out it is released. I've connected ipad to audio interface but first- midi does not work, for some reason, audio does work through audio interface. Second there are lots of audio distortions each time I press the key(by using bluetooth midi instead of audio interface one), any ideas?
I wish the same will happen in Organteq. Organteq has not been updated for a year, and no news on the v.2 as well.
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Nordomus wrote:
I just got Pianoteq on ios after I found out it is released. I've connected ipad to audio interface but first- midi does not work, for some reason, audio does work through audio interface. Second there are lots of audio distortions each time I press the key(by using bluetooth midi instead of audio interface one), any ideas?
I've just tested it on 2 different usb-c connectors to ipad and the result is different, this shouldn't affect sound quality since usb is digital signal so wtf is happening? I've ordered hub for ipad for this but now I'm questioning this purchase since it might be too low quality for this.
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Nordomus wrote:I just got Pianoteq on ios after I found out it is released. I've connected ipad to audio interface but first- midi does not work, for some reason, audio does work through audio interface. Second there are lots of audio distortions each time I press the key(by using bluetooth midi instead of audio interface one), any ideas?
I've just tested it on 2 different usb-c connectors to ipad and the result is different, this shouldn't affect sound quality since usb is digital signal so wtf is happening? I've ordered hub for ipad for this but now I'm questioning this purchase since it might be too low quality for this.
Very different results here. iPad version is identical quality and features to desktop.
Why are you using an audio interface with the iPad? Not needed, take it out of the equation. Before you disconnect the audio interface, confirm whether or not Pteq sounds right when played without external midi. E.g., play the internal blues song in player and see whether it sounds right. If it doesn't then audio interface may be the problem.
In any case, try playing with both internal player and with external midi while listening to the iPad speakers. Do you get the "audio distortions" you're talking about? If not, then that's additional evidence it's the audio interface.
Next try playing with bluetooth midi and listening to iPad's own speakers. Do you observe "audio distortion"?
What audio interface are you using? Are you using iPad with a headphone jack and lightning port, or one with only USB-C? (Sorry, now notice you have USB-C iPad, which requires an interface of some sort. I think the Apple $9 one would work fine: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MU7E...ck-adapter .)
But I would say, basically, Modartt has created an iOS Pianoteq that is full equal of desktop version. If you're not getting same results, it's a problem with your particular setup. Start isolating individual pieces to track down where the problem is.
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hesitz wrote:
Nordomus wrote:Nordomus wrote:I just got Pianoteq on ios after I found out it is released. I've connected ipad to audio interface but first- midi does not work, for some reason, audio does work through audio interface. Second there are lots of audio distortions each time I press the key(by using bluetooth midi instead of audio interface one), any ideas?
I've just tested it on 2 different usb-c connectors to ipad and the result is different, this shouldn't affect sound quality since usb is digital signal so wtf is happening? I've ordered hub for ipad for this but now I'm questioning this purchase since it might be too low quality for this.
Very different results here. iPad version is identical quality and features to desktop.
Why are you using an audio interface with the iPad? Not needed, take it out of the equation. Before you disconnect the audio interface, confirm whether or not Pteq sounds right when played without external midi. E.g., play the internal blues song in player and see whether it sounds right. If it doesn't then audio interface may be the problem.
In any case, try playing with both internal player and with external midi while listening to the iPad speakers. Do you get the "audio distortions" you're talking about? If not, then that's additional evidence it's the audio interface.
Next try playing with bluetooth midi and listening to iPad's own speakers. Do you observe "audio distortion"?
What audio interface are you using? Are you using iPad with a headphone jack and lightning port, or one with only USB-C? (Sorry, now notice you have USB-C iPad, which requires an interface of some sort. I think the Apple $9 one would work fine: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MU7E...ck-adapter .)
But I would say, basically, Modartt has created an iOS Pianoteq that is full equal of desktop version. If you're not getting same results, it's a problem with your particular setup. Start isolating individual pieces to track down where the problem is.
Thank you for you advice. There are no distortions directly on ipad so there might really be problem with audio interface itself I wanted to use audio interface to eliminate latency of bluetooth midi. I have PreSonus audiobox usb 96. I have ipad pro 12.9 with usb c. I've ordered today usb-c to mini jack as well so I will test everything in 2 days. Anyone as far as I can see Pianoteq on ios is really well done so I'm pretty sure my setup is somewhat problematic. Also performance is awesome, Top CPU usage I got was about 35 %, lots of spare power.
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hesitz wrote:Nordomus wrote:I've just tested it on 2 different usb-c connectors to ipad and the result is different, this shouldn't affect sound quality since usb is digital signal so wtf is happening? I've ordered hub for ipad for this but now I'm questioning this purchase since it might be too low quality for this.
Very different results here. iPad version is identical quality and features to desktop.
Why are you using an audio interface with the iPad? Not needed, take it out of the equation. Before you disconnect the audio interface, confirm whether or not Pteq sounds right when played without external midi. E.g., play the internal blues song in player and see whether it sounds right. If it doesn't then audio interface may be the problem.
In any case, try playing with both internal player and with external midi while listening to the iPad speakers. Do you get the "audio distortions" you're talking about? If not, then that's additional evidence it's the audio interface.
Next try playing with bluetooth midi and listening to iPad's own speakers. Do you observe "audio distortion"?
What audio interface are you using? Are you using iPad with a headphone jack and lightning port, or one with only USB-C? (Sorry, now notice you have USB-C iPad, which requires an interface of some sort. I think the Apple $9 one would work fine: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MU7E...ck-adapter .)
But I would say, basically, Modartt has created an iOS Pianoteq that is full equal of desktop version. If you're not getting same results, it's a problem with your particular setup. Start isolating individual pieces to track down where the problem is.
Thank you for you advice. There are no distortions directly on ipad so there might really be problem with audio interface itself I wanted to use audio interface to eliminate latency of bluetooth midi. I have PreSonus audiobox usb 96. I have ipad pro 12.9 with usb c. I've ordered today usb-c to mini jack as well so I will test everything in 2 days. Anyone as far as I can see Pianoteq on ios is really well done so I'm pretty sure my setup is somewhat problematic. Also performance is awesome, Top CPU usage I got was about 35 %, lots of spare power.
I happily use my (older) iPad with bluetooth midi and audio out through the headphone jack. Works great. I usually use bluetooth even though I have USB cable in place that I can plug in directly. I don't think it's worth the effort, Bluetooth is easier (I move my laptop around) and I don't notice latency.
Also, once you have that Apple adapter you can also use it in USB hub. Which means you should also be able to connect your keyboard's USB midi to the hub and and drive Pianoteq that way. Latency will be slightly lower than with bluetooth midi. But latency is already pretty good with bluetooth midi, independent of whether you're using an audio interface or not. (BTW, that little Apple adapter is technically an "audio interface".)
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I happily use my (older) iPad with bluetooth midi and audio out through the headphone jack. Works great. I usually use bluetooth even though I have USB cable in place that I can plug in directly. I don't think it's worth the effort, Bluetooth is easier (I move my laptop around) and I don't notice latency.
Also, once you have that Apple adapter you can also use it in USB hub. Which means you should also be able to connect your keyboard's USB midi to the hub and and drive Pianoteq that way. Latency will be slightly lower than with bluetooth midi. But latency is already pretty good with bluetooth midi, independent of whether you're using an audio interface or not. (BTW, that little Apple adapter is technically an "audio interface".)
I've connected ipad to piano via mini jack directly and sound is perfectly fine so I guess I have faulty audio interface
Bluetooth midi works very good 95% of the time for me but there are moments when it gets big delay which is very bad. It happens randomly once every 30s or something.
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hesitz wrote:I happily use my (older) iPad with bluetooth midi and audio out through the headphone jack. Works great. I usually use bluetooth even though I have USB cable in place that I can plug in directly. I don't think it's worth the effort, Bluetooth is easier (I move my laptop around) and I don't notice latency.
Also, once you have that Apple adapter you can also use it in USB hub. Which means you should also be able to connect your keyboard's USB midi to the hub and and drive Pianoteq that way. Latency will be slightly lower than with bluetooth midi. But latency is already pretty good with bluetooth midi, independent of whether you're using an audio interface or not. (BTW, that little Apple adapter is technically an "audio interface".)
I've connected ipad to piano via mini jack directly and sound is perfectly fine so I guess I have faulty audio interface
Bluetooth midi works very good 95% of the time for me but there are moments when it gets big delay which is very bad. It happens randomly once every 30s or something.
Probably not a faulty interface, but maybe there's some incompatibility of it with iPad. iOS is known for having issues with some audio interfaces. Maybe it has something to do with sample rate, could try changing sample rate in Pianoteq from 44100 to 48000. Not sure about sample rate issues, maybe there's some way to change on interface itself?
Random reoccuring delays with bluetooth midi aren't something that should be happening. One thing to check for is whether there are other devices that you sometimes or have previously used with bluetooth midi, which might be messing things up by trying to take over the existing connection between keyboard and iOS device. Easiest way to do this would be to just temporarily disable bluetooth on any other devices you have, make sure keyboard and iOS device are only ones with bluetooth. Beyond that, I don't know, but that bluetooth midi is not running as it should if there are reoccuring delays.
As I said before, you should be able to use that minijack adapter in a USB hub (even though the idea of a little dongle adapter on a hub may seem strange). You may need a usb-c to usb-a adapter to plug it into the hub, though (one like this one, a USB Type-C female to USB Type-A male Adapter : https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/...nd_x8.html ). But once you're using a usb hub, you could then plug usb midi from keyboard into it and use the minijack adapter for audio at same time as you're getting usb midi connection.
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Bluetooth midi works very good 95% of the time for me but there are moments when it gets big delay which is very bad. It happens randomly once every 30s or something.
As I said in previous post, this random delay should not be happening. Below is some text copied from this link regarding bluetooth interference:
https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/su...erference/
(link is about bluetooth audio but bluetooth midi uses same spectrum, so I assume it's equally applicable to bluetooth midi. . . )
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Make certain your Bluetooth devices are away from interfering devices that may be in the same spectrum. This may include:
Microwave ovens
Cabling and connectors for cable and satellite service
Poorly shielded power lines in the wall
4 GHz cordless telephones
Wireless RF security video camera
Wireless Wi-Fi speakers
Neighboring Bluetooth device (device in a close apartment/home may connect through walls)
What do you do when your Bluetooth devices are paired but dropping out or have an audio issue such as skipping?
Make certain your Bluetooth devices have a good line of sight operation and have limited impeding material between them.
Make certain your Bluetooth devices are away from other interfering devices in the same spectrum
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Probably not a faulty interface, but maybe there's some incompatibility of it with iPad. iOS is known for having issues with some audio interfaces. Maybe it has something to do with sample rate, could try changing sample rate in Pianoteq from 44100 to 48000. Not sure about sample rate issues, maybe there's some way to change on interface itself?
I've tested on all sample rates, no change. Also this audio interface is listed as compatible with apple devices.
As for bluetooth interference- might be, I have wifi in home and many wireless devices closeby, I might disable everything one day just to test this theory but impossible in long run.
I like idea to connect midi directly to ios device but the biggest problem I see is good USB, minijack hub for iphone or ipad, the one I bought 2 days ago I've tested today and it was crap, sound was very bad through mini jack and usb device was not recognized. Do you know any good hub that works perfectly with ios? I have either ipad pro with usb c or iphone with lightning to choose from.
I have found something like this on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Charging-Headpho...B08BRJ1NXJ
but I have no idea about quality, and I'd still need to buy midi-usb cable.
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hesitz wrote:Probably not a faulty interface, but maybe there's some incompatibility of it with iPad. iOS is known for having issues with some audio interfaces. Maybe it has something to do with sample rate, could try changing sample rate in Pianoteq from 44100 to 48000. Not sure about sample rate issues, maybe there's some way to change on interface itself?
I've tested on all sample rates, no change. Also this audio interface is listed as compatible with apple devices.
As for bluetooth interference- might be, I have wifi in home and many wireless devices closeby, I might disable everything one day just to test this theory but impossible in long run.
I like idea to connect midi directly to ios device but the biggest problem I see is good USB, minijack hub for iphone or ipad, the one I bought 2 days ago I've tested today and it was crap, sound was very bad through mini jack and usb device was not recognized. Do you know any good hub that works perfectly with ios? I have either ipad pro with usb c or iphone with lightning to choose from.
I have found something like this on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Charging-Headpho...B08BRJ1NXJ
but I have no idea about quality, and I'd still need to buy midi-usb cable.
I'm curious, have you tested Bluetooth midi on both your iPad and your iPhone? When testing one, make sure that bluetooth on the other is turned off.
That product on Amazon you linked is for iOS devices that have a Lightning port. Won't work on your iPad Pro, might work on your iPhone. But for those Lightning adapters, everyone will tell you that Apple's versions are the only ones that you can rely on. I have an Apple CCK and a non-Apple one and both work fine. But if I were you I would limit myself to Apple. This is the one I have: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W...ra-adapter Apple doesn't make a Lightning adapter that has both integrated power and an audio jack. You would have to connect a USB hub to that Apple adapter to get both audio jack and usb from keyboard. It gets messy.
That Presonus interface should work with your iPad, as you say. Have you tested it on a Windows or Mac machine?
[EDIT: I posted this earlier, but disregard it, I think I can find a more suitable hub for same price or lower, this one woudl require a little adapter for the Apple minijack dongle, will look again when I get a chance:
If I were you, I'd concentrate on getting a usb connection between keyboard and iPad. The USB-C on your iPad isn't proprietary like Lightning, so you can use any good quality USB hub, e.g., this one: https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Usb-C-H...B08BLXG7C1 You would plug the Apple audio jack adapter into the usb-c on the hub, and connect your keyboard to one of the USB-A ports.]
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I'm curious, have you tested Bluetooth midi on both your iPad and your iPhone? When testing one, make sure that bluetooth on the other is turned off.
I didn't test iphone bluetooth midi latency yet because I don't have adapter for lightning yet, I will have one tomorrow so I will check it out then. Sound from iphone speakers is so terrible and distorted I don't even want to test it before I connect it to piano directly. I will get back to you on that.
As for audio interface I actually tested it more deeply and it turned out that the USB cable is faulty, after changing cable the sound is clear. So this one solution is working perfectly now at least
I'm leaning more towards iphone and this cursed lightning because I'm also using ipad for sheet music and it has to be positioned with usb port at the bottom because of gesture control using scanner at the top of the device, would be problematic or impossible to connect it properly.
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While testing with my iPhone 14, I used a non-apple camera adapter plus hooking up a generic Amazon USB-A hub on it. For some reason, my keyboard and Scarlet audio interface did not work properly. I suspect the non-apple camera or the Amazon USB-A hub to be the culprit, since when I use the same audio interface and keyboard on my iPad Air it works great.
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sordess wrote:
While testing with my iPhone 14, I used a non-apple camera adapter plus hooking up a generic Amazon USB-A hub on it. For some reason, my keyboard and Scarlet audio interface did not work properly. I suspect the non-apple camera or the Amazon USB-A hub to be the culprit, since when I use the same audio interface and keyboard on my iPad Air it works great.
Glad to hear about interface, sounds like you're on your way. The interface should work on iPhone with the Apple CCK device I linked previously. At $39, it's expensive for what it is. You can experiment with cheaper ones like the amazon one you linked, if you want. Presonus recommends the Apple one at bottom of this page:
https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/a...patibility
I should have been clear about cables you were using.
Here's the general purpose hub I'd get for your iPad Pro, but sounds like now you don't really need it: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Upgraded-D...B07ZVKTP53 It should work with Apple CCK on iphone, too, if you get an adapter, but you shouldn't need it, interface should plug directly into Apple CCK adapter.