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Topic: Adjust resonances and other features without getting crazy

I have a Kawai CA97 which I like much its sound. I especially like that it's got a "virtual technician" to adjust this sound to your liking depending on the mood/situation (19 parameters I guess).

I find this "virtual technician" very easy to manipulate (similar to what Roland also has in their DP), a couple of clicks here and there and you're getting a totally different lovely sound. It even has some presets ready to be used by a single click, I happen to like one of these called "deep resonance" which brings up a lot of nuance and richness to the sound.

I'm trying to ger a similar result with Pianoteq but I'm not able to manipulate the several resonance settings without ending up getting an awkward kind of sound, sometimes like there's a "chorus" effect instead of duplex resonance, some other times feeling like resonances in the higher register sound more offending that they should etc.

I've tried to play with the main EQ, the length of the resonances, and even eq-ing the resonances (2nd option within the EQ tabs). Also, played with the sympathetic resonance and duplex scale sliders etc but no way I can get a satisfying result.

I'm not expecting a piano sound with same character as the ones on my CA97, I just want the same type/degree of artifacts involved in this sound, if anyone can help me with this.

As a side note, I think Modartt did such a great job giving users the possibility to edit sounds in a million ways but I wonder why they didn't make it easier instead like when editing sounds on DP's, there could be a "standard user" mode with some more simplified options and ranges that keep the sound realistic besides a "pro" mode with the current options where you can easily get unrealistic sounds depending on the used values/ranges..

P85>Kawai CA97>Numa XGT>FP90X>LX706
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i7 4790K W11 64bits + UMC1820 + MTM + DT770 pro X
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davidizquierdo82 wrote:

As a side note, I think Modartt did such a great job giving users the possibility to edit sounds in a million ways but I wonder why they didn't make it easier instead like when editing sounds on DP's, there could be a "standard user" mode with some more simplified options and ranges that keep the sound realistic besides a "pro" mode with the current options where you can easily get unrealistic sounds depending on the used values/ranges..

I agree with you. In my experimentations, I have found that reducing oneself to EXTREMELY small changes of values is best. At first one (=myself) thinks that such small changes are unnoticeable, but they instead are when doing A/B comparison of playing the piano (or listening to MIDI recordings).

One other problem is that changing one thing often requires changing another, and it's sometimes mysterious what that other thing is.
It would be extremely useful to have the tooltips (or perhaps even dialog boxes) suggesting things like "Ah you changed X raising it by x% -- for best results, consider changing Y by lowering in the range y0-y1%).

That said, you also wrote:

davidizquierdo82 wrote:

It even has some presets ready to be used by a single click

In fact Pianoteq has gazillions of presets, and most of the time I just use them (even if I have pro...) rather than trying to make my own.

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

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davidizquierdo82 wrote:

As a side note, I think Modartt did such a great job giving users the possibility to edit sounds in a million ways but I wonder why they didn't make it easier instead like when editing sounds on DP's, there could be a "standard user" mode with some more simplified options and ranges that keep the sound realistic besides a "pro" mode with the current options where you can easily get unrealistic sounds depending on the used values/ranges..

I agree with you. In my experimentations, I have found that reducing oneself to EXTREMELY small changes of values is best. At first one (=myself) thinks that such small changes are unnoticeable, but they instead are when doing A/B comparison of playing the piano (or listening to MIDI recordings).

One other problem is that changing one thing often requires changing another, and it's sometimes mysterious what that other thing is.
It would be extremely useful to have the tooltips (or perhaps even dialog boxes) suggesting things like "Ah you changed X raising it by x% -- for best results, consider changing Y by lowering in the range y0-y1%).

That said, you also wrote:

davidizquierdo82 wrote:

It even has some presets ready to be used by a single click

In fact Pianoteq has gazillions of presets, and most of the time I just use them (even if I have pro...) rather than trying to make my own.

I also end up using the presets in Pianoteq more than anything else but I'd still like to be able to use a single preset (say the "K2 Basic") and then to be able to change its character like "light resonance", "deep resonance", "classical", "dark", "soft", "rich" etc.. those settings would be available for all piano models regardless of their current presets which BTW aren't always the same from one piano to another.

In this case I wouldn't need to pick the "K2 Concert Record AB" from PTQ presets and then revert the MIC's and other features like reverb etc to what they are on the "K2 Basic" so I get the rather "classical" settings but using the "standard" K2 patch, not sure I explained it well..

Not a big deal after all but my 2ct in case Modartt reads.

P85>Kawai CA97>Numa XGT>FP90X>LX706
Pianoteq 8 Pro (all instruments) + Organteq 2
i7 4790K W11 64bits + UMC1820 + MTM + DT770 pro X
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davidizquierdo82 wrote:

I also end up using the presets in Pianoteq more than anything else but I'd still like to be able to use a single preset (say the "K2 Basic") and then to be able to change its character like "light resonance", "deep resonance", "classical", "dark", "soft", "rich" etc.. those settings would be available for all piano models regardless of their current presets which BTW aren't always the same from one piano to another.

Not a big deal after all but my 2ct in case Modartt reads.

I see. I think that is much more complicated than what I suggested (which is "piece of cake" for Modartt to implement, if they deem it useful and find the time).
I agree with you it'd be a nice addition to have

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(