Re: new piano soon?...

Key Fumbler wrote:
Chopin87 wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

Why are you guys so sure it's a Bosendorfer?

This:
https://www.modartt.com/user_manual?pro...mp;lang=en

Scroll down to 3.1.3.

I just used the function "find in page" then typed 280.



lol.. looks like it's been taken down..    "oopsie"      Oh well..  will be nice to have the Piano when it's "official"  ahem.  lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1qXNyeHV7o

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Sounds lovely and rich to my ears.

"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

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Chopin87 wrote:

Sounds lovely and rich to my ears.

It sounds good in the video and on evidence so far matches the quality of the best existing models in the collection. Looking forward to adding it to mine . The bass has a nice authority to it. This is going to be some people's favourite.

Nice demo.

Press release for 8.3:
https://www.modartt.com/data/download/p..._06_12.pdf

Last edited by Key Fumbler (12-06-2024 10:33)

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Key Fumbler wrote:
Chopin87 wrote:

Sounds lovely and rich to my ears.

It sounds good in the video and on evidence so far matches the quality of the best existing models in the collection. Looking forward to adding it to mine . The bass has a nice authority to it. This is going to be some people's favourite.

Nice demo.

Press release for 8.3:
https://www.modartt.com/data/download/p..._06_12.pdf

Stop hacking the site. LMAO!
I had lost my hopes of seeing a Bosendorfer in Pianoteq so I am beyond happy this is actually happening.

"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

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Chopin87 wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:
Chopin87 wrote:

Sounds lovely and rich to my ears.

It sounds good in the video and on evidence so far matches the quality of the best existing models in the collection. Looking forward to adding it to mine . The bass has a nice authority to it. This is going to be some people's favourite.

Nice demo.

Press release for 8.3:
https://www.modartt.com/data/download/p..._06_12.pdf

Stop hacking the site. LMAO!
I had lost my hopes of seeing a Bosendorfer in Pianoteq so I am beyond happy this is actually happening.

Yes, I confess!
The truly evil hacking of Modartt's website through the malicious master criminal act of looking at the articles they themselves publish!

Send me down now!

Looking forward to it too, though I don't think it's going to sound anything quite like the warmth and character of the 290. I believe it will very much play to Pianoteq's strengths.

Let's see what else 8.3 brings too. Perhaps we will be hearing some further sonic improvements around say 8.7 later in the year too. Pianoteq is really coming on nicely.


EDIT You can download 8.3 demo the 280VC now.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (12-06-2024 12:03)

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Wheeeeee! It's available

https://i.ibb.co/VWV2TYg/Screenshot-2024-06-12-at-12-14-25.png

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A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs


The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

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So... first impressions:

Very positive indeed. This piano has the precision and clarity of the Steingraeber, but there is some character in the sound there, a bit of warmth, and something swirly going on which gives it a very attractive tone.

The bass - which I suspect Modartt really want to show off judging by the two Youtube review videos out there at the moment - is easily the best sounding of any Pianoteq model by some margin. At higher velocities, you can still tell that it's PTQ, but when played between PP and MF, it's got a beautiful rumbly quality.

I really like this one a lot.

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Shout out for the excellent 70s style cinematic demo track by Mr Ridder.

I particularly enjoyed P. De Ridder's music demo - The Strniša.

This really evoked images of 1970s Dirty Harry, and slightly reminiscent of Vangelis Heaven and Hell (which featured his Bos. 290).

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https://youtu.be/2xx9G7gRv4M?si=ZlIdLkkggjkOJV-2


https://youtu.be/YX-3y7zKXAA?si=CRD9qB3rJ3bMTyp3


And the great Phil Best:  https://youtu.be/sbZhiUoH5jM?si=Uc5is3C6iIbMdMPx

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A short track, written in a fit of anger on Sunday evening (the French will know what I'm talking about), and reworked today with this new Bösendorfer.

https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/ah-le-khon/

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Gaston wrote:

A short track, written in a fit of anger on Sunday evening (the French will know what I'm talking about), and reworked today with this new Bösendorfer.

https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/ah-le-khon/

Bravo... Et le khon je l'ai bien reconnu !...

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Beto-Music wrote:

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs


The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
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https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

Last edited by Chopin87 (12-06-2024 17:44)
"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

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Chopin87 wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs


The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
.
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

The attack velocity sounds far too hard.

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Key Fumbler wrote:
Chopin87 wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs


The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
.
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

The attack velocity sounds far too hard.

Indeed, such is the fickle nature of physics: less force less overtones.

"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

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Chopin87 wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:
Chopin87 wrote:

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
.
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

The attack velocity sounds far too hard.

Indeed, such is the fickle nature of physics: less force less overtones.

Bucket loads in the original with much softer attack. Perhaps adjusting microphone positioning could help.

Edit personally out of the box I found the hammer hardness when played softly seemed unrealistically hard on the model - not enough variation in the sound of the attack at different velocity levels, making it sound too synthetic to me. I reduced this a little and to my amateur ears more like a real Piano. I then brought a little brightness back with a slight tweak to the EQ.

For this model I'm glad I've got Standard
rather than just Stage. I'm sure they will refine the tuning though. This model sounds superb, I was just a little bit surprised not like the sound from the presets without tweaking. Could just be me. That growling bass is great.
This 280vc  is an excellent addition. I'm sure we'll hear lots of tweaks in the FXP section soon.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (13-06-2024 07:32)

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Having added the new piano, I have experienced a noticeable spike in Bösendorphins ®.

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Anyone knows when 8.3 is availible for the iPad?

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snurrfint wrote:

Anyone knows when 8.3 is availible for the iPad?

Already by the looks of it.

From the App store:

"What’s New
Version History
Jun 12, 2024 Version 8.3.0
- New grand piano: Grand Bösendorfer 280VC.

- The MIDI demos embedded in presets can now be loaded and played in the MIDI player of the standalone app.

- Gain reduction meter added to the Compressor effect."

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Key Fumbler wrote:
snurrfint wrote:

Anyone knows when 8.3 is availible for the iPad?

Already by the looks of it.

From the App store:

"What’s New
Version History
Jun 12, 2024 Version 8.3.0
- New grand piano: Grand Bösendorfer 280VC.

- The MIDI demos embedded in presets can now be loaded and played in the MIDI player of the standalone app.

- Gain reduction meter added to the Compressor effect."

It wasn't there when I wrote. It became available in the middle of the night in Europe. Its a bit confusing for iPad users when modarrt announces a new update is ready for download and its not there on the app store. Its not a big deal ofc.

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snurrfint wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:
snurrfint wrote:

Anyone knows when 8.3 is availible for the iPad?

Already by the looks of it.

From the App store:

"What’s New
Version History
Jun 12, 2024 Version 8.3.0
- New grand piano: Grand Bösendorfer 280VC.

- The MIDI demos embedded in presets can now be loaded and played in the MIDI player of the standalone app.

- Gain reduction meter added to the Compressor effect."

It wasn't there when I wrote. It became available in the middle of the night in Europe. Its a bit confusing for iPad users when modarrt announces a new update is ready for download and its not there on the app store. Its not a big deal ofc.

Well it was only a few short hours, easily forgotten I'm sure.
In contrast I remember initially trying to buy a version of a famous synthesizer from a British company that normally produces for PC and Mac simultaneously and having to wait about one year for the PC version!!!!
That's not so forgettable - I went with a rival company for that one.
I'm sure as this one is very, very good it was worth the wait. I didn't like the presets without tweaking though. Hopefully those will improve for Stage users as it's excellent.

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Thanks for the input and the mp3
  :-)

I presume the 280VC have longer sustein and ressonances as it's longer than the model in the video.

Should the moddeled version have louder ressonances?
Or was the small room reverberation, in the video, adding extra loudness to it?


Chopin87 wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs


The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
.
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

Last edited by Beto-Music (14-06-2024 16:38)

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Key Fumbler wrote:

I'm sure as this one is very, very good it was worth the wait. I didn't like the presets without tweaking though. Hopefully those will improve for Stage users as it's excellent.

I'd be curious to see what custom presets folks are using. Haven't seen any in the FXP corner yet. I still need to spend some time sitting down and dialing things in for myself.

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miiindbullets wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

I'm sure as this one is very, very good it was worth the wait. I didn't like the presets without tweaking though. Hopefully those will improve for Stage users as it's excellent.

I'd be curious to see what custom presets folks are using. Haven't seen any in the FXP corner yet. I still need to spend some time sitting down and dialing things in for myself.

I'm not fully satisfied with my own efforts yet either, but nonetheless it's an excellent model - one of the best. I can almost entirely reduce that subtle Pianoteq synthetic cleanliness, but then it sounds slightly less like the specific target model too - and loses a little of the thunderous crisp bass authority. Trying to reach a happy medium - without bringing back too much hardness (the model compared to the real thing).
If I upgraded to Pro I think I would drive myself mad with all the extra adjustments potential!

Mainly listening with the warm and the classical presets. I've adjusted the classical hammers down on all three sliders. Then I used EQ to bring back some of the brightness. I also adjusted the reverb and moved the microphone positioning to bring back a little life the softer hammer positioning brought.

Don't get me wrong I think it's brilliant out of the box. Just also a little too brilliant in places. I seem to be the only one saying this. So I could be very wrong!

I am very happy with this excellent addition to Pianoteq.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (14-06-2024 21:20)

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My Piano teacher would have sent me to hell, ever having used my left hand like Xantux does ... (in the Video from Beto-Music)
but I already love the Boesendorfer a lot. And I own it and can play it. Unbelieveable.

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At last!! thankyou Modartt! A concert grand.. A battleship Boesendorfer.
Seems to me, it sounds even more detailed, coherent, full, balanced
compared to the general profound prior overhaul in the remarkable 8.20 update.
Superb bass, exhilarating(the best of all previous CGs, maybe). Excellent Modartt..
High registers really authentic-woody. The harshtone has been greatly eliminated(with a little tweaking).
Midrange-Achilles' heel for many all these years, very acceptable, nearing the real thing nuances.
My advice, great care in testing the microphones positioning, phasing etc!
I tend to use external reverbs almost exclusively, bytheway.No offence Modartt!
Pianoteq(Pro) with the possibilities it offers in tweaking-shaping(sensibly) the behaviour of the pianos,
is now at very close proximity tothe top of pianosound in the majorityof instruments(not yet all of the pianos!)
Truly remarkable feeling both when practicing or in live performance!

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Beto-Music wrote:

Thanks for the input and the mp3
  :-)

I presume the 280VC have longer sustein and ressonances as it's longer than the model in the video.

Should the moddeled version have louder ressonances?
Or was the small room reverberation, in the video, adding extra loudness to it?


Chopin87 wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs


The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
.
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

Good questions to which I am afraid there is really no right/correct answer IMHO. The sustains are probably louder in volume due to the proximity effect of the camera mic and it is certainly possible to replicate that in Pianoteq fiddling with impedance or the overtones themselves. Bosendorfers are really complicated to record in RL unless you know what you're doing and you've got quite a bit of experience with piano and the room, because the sound image projected by the piano varies a lot depending on how you place the mics, you can have the richest sound or the thinnest sound just by changing the recording spot.
So there is really no way to tell which sound is "right", it mainly depends on taste as well as the type of your music you're recording.

Last edited by Chopin87 (15-06-2024 08:50)
"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)