pro version out!!!!!! (Page 2 of 2)

Good luck to you in finding a 97-note MIDI controller that wouldn't cost close to V-Piano or something. They are custom-built at best, no consumer-grade products there.

I say, Modartt, don't trouble yourself over this one.

About the Bosendorfer issue, one could easily get a small MIDI controller as a peripheral and use that to trigger the extra bass notes. I'm with ben on this, it'd be pretty awesome to have a full Bosendorfer model.

I agree the add-on instruments could use the fortissimo upgrade the main instruments got.

Also, it'd be cool to have the option of expanding historical instruments like the Graf to 88 keys! Why the hell not? So what if the originals didn't have 88 keys? The Graf in particular is explosive! (Making the C, M, Y, Erard and Bechstein pianos as explosive would also be a nice touch! )

Breaking continuity of the controller isn't a nice and valid option IMHO

Yeah, I'd like to have a Bosendorfer model too, but having all those notes that rarely get used...

Still, I agree that we should have the option to stretch the instrument range freely!

I would just use the transpose function to reach those deep bass notes -- and, to be honest, I _very_ rarely use or even visit the existing uppermost octave on _any_ piano, so I would probably _keep_ the keyboard transposed!!!

And I would have to say that those notes are rarely used because, well, access to them for the average person is -- uh -- rare.  8^P

I totally agree, and we _know_ this is possible -- just look at the wonder they achieved with the vibes!!!  The only issues, I feel, are quality (keeping the extra notes from sounding like mush -- back to the grindstone, boys, whip-whip!) and accurate instrument representation (versus, "Hey, that harpsichord doesn't _really_ have that range -- how DARE you!!!" from some HistInfPerf fanatic).

Am i right that Pianoteq can pitch bend +- 2400 cents.
Then just map a controller to pitch bend and injoy the deep notes ;-)

I have to agree with Beto-Music that, for instance, the bottom notes of the Erard of the latest KIViR.ptq release (from C1 down, no pedal) have too much inharmonic content when hit hard and staccato, probably due to the new damper model. I tried modifying the damper position and/or duration for these notes but either the damping gets too abrupt or the inharmonic spectrum just changes in content but keeps being too present.

This effect is much more natural with other presets, but the latest Erard does sound very different from the previous KIViR.ptq release (build 2009/02/26) when loaded in pianoteqpro for the purpose of comparison, even higher up in the range.

Maybe we're both sick...but I'm sure Dr. Guillaume will find a cure!

To demonstrate what I mean, I uploaded two short similar examples made with the current and previous version of the Erard player preset, both played by version 3.5

Gilles, nice demonstration of the new damper model! The overtones that you hear in the bass played forte are due to the the damper model that simulates more accurately what happens when the damper comes in contact with the strings. As this Erard is quite old, I confess that it has quite noisy dampers The next time you have an old piano under your fingers, make the same experiment (loud staccato) in the bass, and you will obtain a similar sound. Now, if you want to renew the dampers in the real world, you will have to remove the old felt, cut new dampers in a new felt strip, paste them individually on each damper, and regulate all dampers. A very long task (I did that quite a few times when I was restoring pianos). In Pianoteq, it is much simpler. For the virtual Erard, I would even dare to move a bit the dampers (totally impossible of course in the real world), so the “damper renewal” that I suggest is: damper position = 1/6.1, damper duration = 0.5, and you have a new Erard! Note that if you prefer without damper model, the old version still works properly.

Changing the damper values can only be done in the Pro version?
I also don't like the harsh metallic sound for the bass for the C3. It is there when I play softly as well!

PS: While testing I noticed my keyboard (M-Audio keystation pro 88) doesn't have release velocity :-( (I guess that's why it was so cheap...)
PS2: I'm still looking for continuous pedals but nobody seems to make 3 or 4 on 1 pedal-board.

Nope, you can do it in Standard as well. Check the Action section.

Congrats to the new update and the pro version. I am liking the updated sound so far. The attack seems clearer.

But I have some misgiving about the splitting into pro and standard versions.

I for one do not like the idea of splitting into pro and standard versions. Just the idea that what you got is a watered down version bugs me. Right now, I respect Modartt's decision of keeping the sound engines the same in both versions, but there is no telling that one day they will give the pro version a more advanced sound engine to encourage people upgrading. I am very against this.

Can the Modartt team promise to keep the differences between pro and standard on note-based editing?

I would imagine that the key differences between the two versions will remain limited to the extended note-edit features.  On one hand, you have users who simply want good piano sounds "out of the box," and then you have users like myself who are "mad scientists" wanting to tweak every parameter in existence.  (More, more, MORE!!!)  The easier (read:  limited in a friendly way) nature of the "standard" version definitely has its appeal -- you don't have to spend as much money, and you could always upgrade later, but the "standard" features are pretty extensive, too!  Implementing the added features required some hard work and polishing, so I think the upgrade price is quite fair.

Of course, I would have gone straight to the "Pro" version, if both had been available when I made my first purchase.  ;^)   

More importantly, we must remember that the gentlemen behind Pianoteq are very much "in touch" with their customers -- which is a 180-degree difference from companies like Avid, Native Instruments, and Waves (am I forgetting anyone?), who, IMHumO, are _very_ much "out-of-touch" with their vast customer bases.  All three companies have turned into true businesses-for-business'-sake, and I would fully expect _them_ to employ the type of shenanigans you describe.  Thankfully, I would not name MODARTT in the same sentence with them -- therefore, I have _not_ done so.  ;^)

(And, as Philippe said, the act of making such a difference between versions would be pure "nonsense."  They surely have visions of doing _better_ things dancing in their heads.  Life's too short...)

Very much so like Cockos Reaper guys. 3 guys, great support. Awesome DAW.

Lo and behold, I was thinking that Reaper was Windows-only (all I see/hear is Reaper this, Reaper that from you PC guys...), but I just went to the website and downloaded the OSX beta.  I'll be taking it for a test-drive presently.  :^)

(Talk about "coming up roses" -- first Pianoteq Pro, and now Reaper.  8-)

Well done Modartt, for producing this latest version/update (the Pro especially). The ability to control each individual note is amazing.

I appreciated the inclusion to adjust the speed of files in the MIDI files section.

I still would have liked a larger screen for the velocity panel. Also some way of turning on and off individual pianos, rather than turning off all the 'Factory', or all of the 'My Presets' settings. Not essential issues, but it would have been nice.

Good work, when is the next upgrade?

Which is a perfect excuse to simply _transpose_ the 61-, 73-, or 88-key MIDI controllers we all use.  (As I said before, I rarely use that uppermost octave, anyway -- I'd rather have the big bottom end than the super-tinkly top.  8^)