Thank you all for the advice !

Special thanks to ByronHeart  who sold me his license at a great price !

In the end I went with Steinway B and D and Petrof as they had the most recommendations and seems to be the most future proof.

In the future i will try to get during a sale the U4 and Blunther.

Fabulous choices!

If I had to choose now 2: I'd go for Steinway D and the Electric Pianos Package.
Steinway D has not only two different Pianos, but very nice and usable presets.
Electric Pianos even have 3 different models and they are good complement as you get an entirely different instrument type / sound.

In general, if you have a good base sound, you can change a lot via effect plugins or changing the mic / recording modes. To a non trained piano player this affects the sound much more drastically than switching between Piano models. So if you're not trained in the sound of acoutic pianos, I see more value in having many and good presets - especially in the stage version.

I'm currently thinking about which instrument pack would be a good next complement, beeing sufficiently distinct.

Special thanks to ByronHeart  who sold me his license at a great price !

In the end I went with Steinway B and D and Petrof as they had the most recommendations and seems to be the most future proof.

In the future i will try to get during a sale the U4 and Blunther.

panz3r wrote:

In my opinion combining the fp-10 with a good VST  would be the equivalent of buying of  a buying 10000$ instrument with the only drawback of adding an usb cable.

you are mistaken.

i believe the fp10 will be suitable for your child, and you are clearly set on adding a vst which is fair enough if that's your choice. and yes, a vst will provide superior sound to the fp10

but you are deceiving yourself if you think you will be getting the equivalent of a $10,000 instrument

Thank you for your answer.
Obviously there will be drawbacks and maybe not 10 000 but for sure the sound generated with vsl or pianotheq or garritan will be on par with the best digital instruments. The keyboard itself will be a bit lacking but still good enough. The portability will not be therebecause of the computer. There could be a bit of latency but i think it can be almost eliminated with proper tuning.
What i am looking for is an instrument with good keyboard and good sound.

Please provide a bit more details where i am wrong .

Edit:
Or please let me know which digital piano have 120GB -250GB  storage for the wave sample-set for a single instrument.

Edit2:
Somebody already compared this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybCRVBywMK8

Looks like a 5000$ Kawai NV5 sounds a bit better than vsl but wasn't really apples to apples because the midi was recorded on kawai and not played live with audio input from vst.

In my opinion combining the fp-10 with a good VST  would be the equivalent of buying of  a buying 10000$ instrument with the only drawback of adding an usb cable.

you are mistaken.

i believe the fp10 will be suitable for your child, and you are clearly set on adding a vst which is fair enough if that's your choice. and yes, a vst will provide superior sound to the fp10

but you are deceiving yourself if you think you will be getting the equivalent of a $10,000 instrument

panz3r wrote:

The teacher recomended  yamaha 125 for keyboard but i decided to go for fp-10 because the keyboard is more piano like.
I will buy the fp-10 as soon as i have the money (couple weeks)
The speaker and amplifier i have from when i was younger.
And the VST will be either garritan cfx lite or pianoteq or vsl  depending on the sales and how much money i will have available at the time. For now i have the free hammersmith and free pianoteq.

The teacher's suggestion is not a bad one for a first time keyboard. I would also look at the Kawai ES110 or ES120. Kawai does a great job of offering an excellent action/sound combo at every price point -- you'll be getting a Responsive Hammer Compact action with the Harmonic Imaging Sound Technology engine.

Since you don't yet have a keyboard and haven't taken it through its paces yet, optimizing for a VST seems a little premature. If you give it a year, Black Friday will come around again anyway.

Thank you very much for your advices.
I have fond FP-10 at around 430 E  and yamaha 125 was about 620e. Kaway es 110 does not have usb midi out. Kaway es120 is aroung 750E .  But the main reason i went for fp-10 was triple sensors and escapement. Some people said that yamaha keyboard is a bit "spongy".
In my opinion combining the fp-10 with a good VST  would be the equivalent of buying of  a buying 10000$ instrument with the only drawback of adding an usb cable.
I have read that fp-10 havd midi over blueetooth and if i can connect the bluettoth midi to a laptop then is not even a cable involved.
The computer part won;t be a problem - i can make a small computer (~ 15cmx15xmx5cm) with ssd that can start directly with pianoteq , without monitor(i have the parts). The vsl will be a bit more problematic due to licenses/protection.

Edit:
At school they seems to have a vertical piano kawai.

The teacher recomended  yamaha 125 for keyboard but i decided to go for fp-10 because the keyboard is more piano like.
I will buy the fp-10 as soon as i have the money (couple weeks)
The speaker and amplifier i have from when i was younger.
And the VST will be either garritan cfx lite or pianoteq or vsl  depending on the sales and how much money i will have available at the time. For now i have the free hammersmith and free pianoteq.

The teacher's suggestion is not a bad one for a first time keyboard. I would also look at the Kawai ES110 or ES120. Kawai does a great job of offering an excellent action/sound combo at every price point -- you'll be getting a Responsive Hammer Compact action with the Harmonic Imaging Sound Technology engine.

Since you don't yet have a keyboard and haven't taken it through its paces yet, optimizing for a VST seems a little premature. If you give it a year, Black Friday will come around again anyway.

panz3r wrote:

I am doing my homework for black Friday and I a wondering which 2 pianos to chose (if there will be a sale).
The pianoteq will be used by somebody who learns to play piano having and FP-10 as midi controller and some speakers connected to the pianoteq laptop.
Thank you .

Steinway B

Thank you ! It is indeed the number one recommendation made by most people here.

I have a strong preference for the NY Steinway D Classical piano, because it sounds the most realistic for classical piano playing.  However, if I am playing Pop music, I tend to prefer either the Petrof, Nord or Yamaha pianos.

Thank you. Good to know especially the Pop music recommendation.

Musiche wrote:

panz3r wrote:

Thank you for the advice.
I want to build a bit of music foundation with the piano first and we will see where it hoes from there.
I am hoping that the sound from  a good vst  and  a good stereo system will impress on the kid.

IMHO kids doesn’t give 2 hoots about ‘good stereo system’. You will be amazed what they can achieve on the ‘inferior’ FP10 when learning without the unnecessary distractions. Giving a picture that you need a Ferrari to drive well does not cultivate a healthy learning mindset.

Depending on how wealthy the family I guess a child may feel more pressure to succeed if they feel their parents have spent more money on the entire project. This can be a problem if they find piano is not really for them.

I think kids with plenty of imagination can look beyond the poor quality but if they've been exposed to good quality sound that's what they'll want - if it's an option their parents can obviously afford.

In some cases poor sound quality might even be a factor in a child dropping piano. Whether that's a horrible clunky old upright (charm character, or out of tune relic) or the poor speakers and short samples built-in an entry digital.

On the other hand frankly as a kid I most certainly did care about quality sound. It depends on what you were exposed to in the home.

There is absolutely no pressure for kid to succeed.
He wanted to play piano and he went to piano club at school (for free).
We had an old casio lk 260 illuminatged keys with lessons (touch sensitive).
The teacher recomended  yamaha 125 for keyboard but i decided to go for fp-10 because the keyboard is more piano like.
I will buy the fp-10 as soon as i have the money (couple weeks)
The speaker and amplifier i have from when i was younger.
And the VST will be either garritan cfx lite or pianoteq or vsl  depending on the sales and how much money i will have available at the time. For now i have the free hammersmith and free pianoteq.

panz3r wrote:

Thank you for the advice.
I want to build a bit of music foundation with the piano first and we will see where it hoes from there.
I am hoping that the sound from  a good vst  and  a good stereo system will impress on the kid.

IMHO kids doesn’t give 2 hoots about ‘good stereo system’. You will be amazed what they can achieve on the ‘inferior’ FP10 when learning without the unnecessary distractions. Giving a picture that you need a Ferrari to drive well does not cultivate a healthy learning mindset.

Maybe i used wrong word. What i mean is amplifier and boxes. And i already have them but i don;t use them myself.
I doubt a pianoteq would sound good from some 5$ computer speakers.

For the car analogy - i would not give my kid a ferari to drive but a good volvo with all the safety features and some decent horsepower- ~100hp
The Ferari would be to buy a 65k new stenway B. Droping 500 euro in an fp-10 + a vst hardly counts towards an ferari.

panz3r wrote:

Thank you for the advice.
I want to build a bit of music foundation with the piano first and we will see where it hoes from there.
I am hoping that the sound from  a good vst  and  a good stereo system will impress on the kid.

IMHO kids doesn’t give 2 hoots about ‘good stereo system’. You will be amazed what they can achieve on the ‘inferior’ FP10 when learning without the unnecessary distractions. Giving a picture that you need a Ferrari to drive well does not cultivate a healthy learning mindset.

Depending on how wealthy the family I guess a child may feel more pressure to succeed if they feel their parents have spent more money on the entire project. This can be a problem if they find piano is not really for them.

I think kids with plenty of imagination can look beyond the poor quality but if they've been exposed to good quality sound that's what they'll want - if it's an option their parents can obviously afford.

In some cases poor sound quality might even be a factor in a child dropping piano. Whether that's a horrible clunky old upright (charm character, or out of tune relic) or the poor speakers and short samples built-in an entry digital.

On the other hand frankly as a kid I most certainly did care about quality sound. It depends on what you were exposed to in the home.

Thank you for the advice.
I want to build a bit of music foundation with the piano first and we will see where it hoes from there.
I am hoping that the sound from  a good vst  and  a good stereo system will impress on the kid.

IMHO kids doesn’t give 2 hoots about ‘good stereo system’. You will be amazed what they can achieve on the ‘inferior’ FP10 when learning without the unnecessary distractions. Giving a picture that you need a Ferrari to drive well does not cultivate a healthy learning mindset.

I am doing my homework for black Friday and I a wondering which 2 pianos to chose (if there will be a sale).
The pianoteq will be used by somebody who learns to play piano having and FP-10 as midi controller and some speakers connected to the pianoteq laptop.
Thank you .

Steinway B