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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Console vs slab+monitors]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@markofjohnson:&nbsp; I like it!&nbsp; I had done similar with my setup, after releasing that pointing two speakers directly at my ear produced too much treble, and too much directionality, and without much realistic room response.&nbsp; So I placed two monitor speakers on stands facing the ceiling.&nbsp; The cones finish at keyboard level, and, because my upright piano that I use for a keyboard has &#039;sides&#039;, the sides of the keyboard shadow my ears from a direct line of hearing from the tweeters.&nbsp; Unfortunately, while improving the bass and the mids, this then gave no sizzleness at all to the treble, so I added another smaller pair of speakers, dialed back, just to get more realistic highs.&nbsp; Furthermore, as you did, I added another speaker on the floor by my left foot - an 8&quot; subwoofer.&nbsp; I understand that the tones from the lower end of the piano are still above most of the sub&#039;s range, but I get enough low-frequency air movement from the sub to make up for the lack of prominence and air movement from a real piano&#039;s soundboard - I don&#039;t hear it, but I get just some palpable sensation, not only in my chest, but even in my fingers, as the subwoofer induces vibrations in the whole piano (though my keys aren&#039;t playing the strings since the hammers are being interrupted by a &#039;stop bar&#039;).</p><p>The whole setup is subtle but effective.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2022 18:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Console vs slab+monitors]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Re the original post... console vs slab &amp; monitors. I chose slab &amp; monitors. Roland FP90X, Genelec 8020 monitors. When I use 2 monitors on top it sounds great except directionally it sounds like its coming from the speakers. Solution is to put speakers under the keyboard so the sound direction is not from in front of you. 1) put the monitors under the keyboard. This means your ear is not in line of sight to the tweeters so high frequency sounds are less. Also&nbsp; putting the speakers low down under the keyboard, maybe on the floor, changes the speaker &amp; room response and you start to get more resonances and nulls. Careful parametric eq helps with this. 2) Keep speakers on top but add a 3rd speaker below. Just hookup the lower speaker to the left channel. Works pretty well.&nbsp; 3) What I&#039;m experimenting with now is 2 speakers under and 2 speakers on top, with eq to balance out the sound. Also add a 10ms or so delay to the signal to the top speakers. Your brain hears the sound from the lower speakers first and so you perceive the sound direction from the instrument, then the delayed sound from the top speakers gets added to your perception of the sound to fill out with the better frequency response the top speakers give. You don&#039;t &#039;hear&#039; the delay. You can use a DAW to setup EQ and delays, though its possible to do most of what you need 100% inside Pianoteq. You do need 4 channel output though, eg a Motu M4, and 4 active monitors.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2022 19:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Console vs slab+monitors]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>YvesTh wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><br /><p>Viva la France!&nbsp; Viva la belle Pianoteq!&nbsp; Cherchez la femme!</p><p>- Babette</p></blockquote></div><p>Bravo !.... <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>Les chausettes de l&#039;Archeduchesse, sont elles seche? Arche seche?&nbsp; - Pardon, s&#039;il vous plait, pour tout l&#039;erreurs!</p></blockquote></div><p>Correction:&nbsp; Les chaussettes de l&#039;archiduchesse sont-elles sèches? Elles sont sèches, archi-sèches?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Console vs slab+monitors]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=984310#p984310</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Never mind</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Console vs slab+monitors]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>YvesTh wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>YvesTh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes, there are in the world many more people who don&#039;t live in the USA than those who do... but as everyone speaks the US language on this forum it&#039;s misleading... yet pianoteq is French, as am I and I would prefer to express myself in my native language than in english but I&#039;m used to it... and I would love than everybody in this forum make what I do everyday, using a translator... to speak french on this french forum... why not !...&nbsp; <br />Et vive Pianoteq !...</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Viva la France!&nbsp; Viva la belle Pianoteq!&nbsp; Cherchez la femme!</p><p>- Babette</p></blockquote></div><p>Bravo !.... <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>Les chausettes de l&#039;Archeduchesse, sont elles seche? Arche seche?&nbsp; - Pardon, s&#039;il vous plait, pour tout l&#039;erreurs!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2022 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Console vs slab+monitors]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>YvesTh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes, there are in the world many more people who don&#039;t live in the USA than those who do... but as everyone speaks the US language on this forum it&#039;s misleading... yet pianoteq is French, as am I and I would prefer to express myself in my native language than in english but I&#039;m used to it... and I would love than everybody in this forum make what I do everyday, using a translator... to speak french on this french forum... why not !...&nbsp; <br />Et vive Pianoteq !...</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Viva la France!&nbsp; Viva la belle Pianoteq!&nbsp; Cherchez la femme!</p><p>- Babette</p></blockquote></div><p>Bravo !.... <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>YvesTh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes, there are in the world many more people who don&#039;t live in the USA than those who do... but as everyone speaks the US language on this forum it&#039;s misleading... yet pianoteq is French, as am I and I would prefer to express myself in my native language than in english but I&#039;m used to it... and I would love than everybody in this forum make what I do everyday, using a translator... to speak french on this french forum... why not !...&nbsp; <br />Et vive Pianoteq !...</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Viva la France!&nbsp; Viva la belle Pianoteq!&nbsp; Cherchez la femme!</p><p>- Babette</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are in the world many more people who don&#039;t live in the USA than those who do... but as everyone speaks the US language on this forum it&#039;s misleading... yet pianoteq is French, as am I and I would prefer to express myself in my native language than in english but I&#039;m used to it... and I would love than everybody in this forum make what I do everyday, using a translator... to speak french on this french forum... why not !...&nbsp; <br />Et vive Pianoteq !...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 20:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Key Fumbler wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Gaston wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> The Forum has members from all over the world, but it isn&#039;t always apparent from postings where they live.</p></blockquote></div><p>If you specify your location in your profile it will appear under your avatar.</p></blockquote></div><p>If you are only viewing this forum on a smartphone you may not even realise this, unless you turn the phone to view the forum horizontally. <br />Perhaps what I am describing depends on resolution and screen size?</p></blockquote></div><p>I use a computer or tablet for viewing the Forum.&nbsp; Not everybody posts where they live, under their avatar. For example, you haven&#039;t posted your location, although at some point I realized you weren&#039;t in the U.S. because of several terms you used, and variations on spelling from what is used in the U.S.&nbsp; It&#039;s not important -- I was just mentioning that I didn&#039;t realize the person writing was not in the U.S., which had an impact on whether Kawai would help him with the problems his piano was having.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 19:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Gaston wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> The Forum has members from all over the world, but it isn&#039;t always apparent from postings where they live.</p></blockquote></div><p>If you specify your location in your profile it will appear under your avatar.</p></blockquote></div><p>If you are only viewing this forum on a smartphone you may not even realise this, unless you turn the phone to view the forum horizontally. <br />Perhaps what I am describing depends on resolution and screen size?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 18:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> The Forum has members from all over the world, but it isn&#039;t always apparent from postings where they live.</p></blockquote></div><p>If you specify your location in your profile it will appear under your avatar.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>davidizquierdo82 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wasn&#039;t Kawai able/willing to help you get it repaired? You&#039;d think they&#039;d stand behind a product like the CA 97 which is top of the line, or close to it.</p></blockquote></div><p>Not really Barbara, things aren&#039;t that easy sometimes, especially if you&#039;re living in a country where Kawai has barely got any serious service (a little trading company in a remote area).</p><p>I too would expect them to be more proactive when it comes to higher end pianos like it was my CA97 at its time but truth is that I have to handle it on my own, not a big deal though, the only problem is that it&#039;s never a definite fix, you always know that&#039;s just a matter of time until the sliptape issue occurs again.</p><p>That&#039;s why I&#039;m now keeping away from the MP11se whenever someone is suggesting it as an alternative for a controller although I like its whole concept, wished someday they&#039;d release an MP12 with the GF3 that presumably solves the issue, but who knows.. </p><p>Anyway, since you use a PHA4 as a controller, did you try to play any advanced classical repertoire on it? Any honest feedback? I&#039;ve tried this action several times, liked it and hated it, it&#039;s expressive but it somehow feels &quot;cheap&quot; especially when bottoming out hard, it&#039;s like plastic is hitting something or like the keys are hollow? Also, while playing fast passages, I noticed that I couldn&#039;t properly play all notes, I played them but they didn&#039;t sound probably because I didn&#039;t press the keys enough which is not happening with my CA97 as a reference. Not sure it all makes any sense but you may share your opinion if any.</p><p>Regards,<br />David</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m so sorry you&#039;ve had to deal with all this.&nbsp; I hadn&#039;t considered that you don&#039;t live in the US.&nbsp; The Forum has members from all over the world, but it isn&#039;t always apparent from postings where they live.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t had any problems with my keyboard, but I am at a beginner level -- no advanced repertoire to give me a sense of how it would function at that level.&nbsp; I played as a child, but hadn&#039;t touched a piano in 60 years before starting again almost a year ago.&nbsp; So I had to start from scratch.&nbsp; Even though some things came back more easily than they would have if I&#039;d never played at all, I&#039;m still not able to play the kinds of pieces that would challenge my keyboard.&nbsp; I&#039;ve played on a grand piano, which has somewhat more resistance than my Roland, but the keys on the Roland don&#039;t feel artificial to me.&nbsp; I&#039;m happy with what I have, for now, though if I ever get to the advanced level I may feel differently. Cheers!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>BarbaraRB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wasn&#039;t Kawai able/willing to help you get it repaired? You&#039;d think they&#039;d stand behind a product like the CA 97 which is top of the line, or close to it.</p></blockquote></div><p>Not really Barbara, things aren&#039;t that easy sometimes, especially if you&#039;re living in a country where Kawai has barely got any serious service (a little trading company in a remote area).</p><p>I too would expect them to be more proactive when it comes to higher end pianos like it was my CA97 at its time but truth is that I have to handle it on my own, not a big deal though, the only problem is that it&#039;s never a definite fix, you always know that&#039;s just a matter of time until the sliptape issue occurs again.</p><p>That&#039;s why I&#039;m now keeping away from the MP11se whenever someone is suggesting it as an alternative for a controller although I like its whole concept, wished someday they&#039;d release an MP12 with the GF3 that presumably solves the issue, but who knows.. </p><p>Anyway, since you use a PHA4 as a controller, did you try to play any advanced classical repertoire on it? Any honest feedback? I&#039;ve tried this action several times, liked it and hated it, it&#039;s expressive but it somehow feels &quot;cheap&quot; especially when bottoming out hard, it&#039;s like plastic is hitting something or like the keys are hollow? Also, while playing fast passages, I noticed that I couldn&#039;t properly play all notes, I played them but they didn&#039;t sound probably because I didn&#039;t press the keys enough which is not happening with my CA97 as a reference. Not sure it all makes any sense but you may share your opinion if any.</p><p>Regards,<br />David</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 08:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>davidizquierdo82 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thanks everyone for your points.</p><p>@BarbaraRB my CA97 was wonderful before getting sick with the sliptape issue, now it&#039;s become a real pain in the neck to repair it every now and then, weather in my country is not helping either. Hence,&nbsp; I&#039;m looking for an alternative and possible plan B, not sure I&#039;ll end up taking the move but at least I&#039;ll be prepared in case I do.</p><p>For now I&#039;m having both the PHA4 and Casio&#039;s Scaled Hammer Action 2 (SHA2) present in the FP30x and the CDPS160 respectively in my short list, otherwise I&#039;ll consider some more serious contenders in the slab category like an FP90x or a Numa XGT.</p><p>The alternative as some fella said above may well be a decent console plus a couple of good monitors (perhaps the MTM or 3020), I think of that as an overkill but it might best fit the bill, who knows..</p></blockquote></div><p>So sorry you had those problems. Wasn&#039;t Kawai able/willing to help you get it repaired? You&#039;d think they&#039;d stand behind a product like the CA 97 which is top of the line, or close to it.</p><p>Hope you find a good solution.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for your points.</p><p>@BarbaraRB my CA97 was wonderful before getting sick with the sliptape issue, now it&#039;s become a real pain in the neck to repair it every now and then, weather in my country is not helping either. Hence,&nbsp; I&#039;m looking for an alternative and possible plan B, not sure I&#039;ll end up taking the move but at least I&#039;ll be prepared in case I do.</p><p>For now I&#039;m having both the PHA4 and Casio&#039;s Scaled Hammer Action 2 (SHA2) present in the FP30x and the CDPS160 respectively in my short list, otherwise I&#039;ll consider some more serious contenders in the slab category like an FP90x or a Numa XGT.</p><p>The alternative as some fella said above may well be a decent console plus a couple of good monitors (perhaps the MTM or 3020), I think of that as an overkill but it might best fit the bill, who knows..</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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