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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Strange Behaviour of Sustenuto Pedal.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>AnsgarSchaefer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I encountered some behaviour that doesn&#039;t seem right to me: </p><p>When I press a key A, then press the sustenuto pedal, then release the key: The sound of the key continues, it isn&#039;t damped. </p><p>This is expected behaviour. </p><p>If I now press another key (while the pedal is still held down), release the sustenuto pedal (sound of old key stops), press the sustenuto pedal, and release the key:<br />The sound of the new key isn&#039;t damped and continues as well, and this is as well expected. </p><p>However, the first key&#039;s damper is still up: When I now press and release the old key, the sound still continues. </p><p>I was also able to reproduce this result with a longer chain of different keys. Wether this occurs seems to also depend on how long it takes me to press and release the pedal, and the keys. I can however assure you that the pedal wasn&#039;t partly pressed when I released it. I also didn&#039;t touch any other pedal at all. I&#039;m using pianoteq 7.5.2 on Windows (64 bit). Is this a bug?</p></blockquote></div><p>To be clear, if you press and release the pedal quickly, the &quot;problem&quot; occurs, whereas if you let the pedal in its rest position for a somewhat long period of time it doesn&#039;t? If so, it&#039;s possible that PTQ is simulating the behavior of a physical acoustic back action. I never actually tried this on an acoustic grand, but it sounds mechanically plausible: it will take a bit of a time for the back action (damper) to lower down, and hence if you release and repress the pedal too quickly it is possible that the back action could be re-engaged into the sostenuto rod. If it&#039;s a feature, I&#039;d expect it to be configurable.</p><p>Regarding the &quot;ignore the sustain pedal&quot;, its description appears to force the sostenuto to exactly ignore the condition I mentioned below, even thought it mentions it in the context of keeping the dampers high with the sustain pedal, rather than the simple fact that lowering them takes time.</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Strange Behaviour of Sustenuto Pedal.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>AnsgarSchaefer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What is unclear about the description?</p></blockquote></div><p>I am not able to reproduce the issue using the steps you describe, and using my MIDI keyboard and Pianoteq. I just thought that the &quot;ignore sustain pedal&quot; option might help.</p><p>In your fifth paragraph you write: <em>&quot;However, the first key&#039;s damper is still up: When I now press and release the old key, the sound still continues.&quot;</em></p><p>That is not true in my case, with my equipment. The &quot;old key&quot; (the first of the two keys/notes depressed) resonates as though its damper is disengaged <strong>only if I have not</strong> released the sostenuto pedal since it was depressed after the first note&#039;s key was struck. This last statement is true, in my case, whether the &quot;ignore sustain pedal&quot; option is engaged (checkmarked) or not.</p><p>So perhaps the issue has some relation to one&#039;s hardware and its MIDI implementation: how one&#039;s keyboard translates the movements of the pedals attached to it into MIDI values and transmits the MIDI information, or whether one is using a pedal that acts as a continuous-controller rather than a simple on-off switch to control Pianoteq&#039;s sostenuto pedal. </p><p>You might check the MIDI pane of Pianoteq&#039;s Options window to see which MIDI data your keyboard and associated hardware is transmitting, and which MIDI controller(s) are mapped to trigger the Pianoteq Sostenuto pedal.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-02-20T22:24:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Stephen_Doonan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your description of the issue is not entirely clear. But&nbsp; try the following:</p><p>Right-click the sostenuto pedal, and enable (checkmark) the &quot;<em>ignore the sustain pedal</em>&quot; option.</p><p>Does the issue persist?</p></blockquote></div><p>What is unclear about the description? I can improve, if needed. I wrote down every step. </p><p>&quot;Ignore the sustain pedal&quot; does indeed stop the behaviour. It&#039;s just unexpected, as I don&#039;t do anything with the sustain pedal.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-02-20T18:15:36Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Your description of the issue is not entirely clear. But&nbsp; try the following:</p><p>Right-click the sostenuto pedal, and enable (checkmark) the &quot;<em>ignore the sustain pedal</em>&quot; option.</p><p>Does the issue persist?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-02-20T14:00:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I encountered some behaviour that doesn&#039;t seem right to me: </p><p>When I press a key A, then press the sustenuto pedal, then release the key: The sound of the key continues, it isn&#039;t damped. </p><p>This is expected behaviour. </p><p>If I now press another key (while the pedal is still held down), release the sustenuto pedal (sound of old key stops), press the sustenuto pedal, and release the key:<br />The sound of the new key isn&#039;t damped and continues as well, and this is as well expected. </p><p>However, the first key&#039;s damper is still up: When I now press and release the old key, the sound still continues. </p><p>I was also able to reproduce this result with a longer chain of different keys. Wether this occurs seems to also depend on how long it takes me to press and release the pedal, and the keys. I can however assure you that the pedal wasn&#039;t partly pressed when I released it. I also didn&#039;t touch any other pedal at all. I&#039;m using pianoteq 7.5.2 on Windows (64 bit). Is this a bug?</p>]]></content>
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