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Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:55:08 +0000

Listening to these attempts again, I think I still like some of them. The fifth try wasn't what you wanted, but it gives us another piano sound. I still like the resonances, and the range of timbres:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...20Time.mp3

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:56:35 +0000

Don't worry. I must reamamber that i'm the most difficult person to please in this world. ;-)

Taste it's very personal subject. I supose my taste and yours are quite different, and so your settings don't fit very well to my particular taste.
It don't means the YC5 have problems or your ability.

The reverbs are important too, even in real concert halls, as they try to find the better position to piano and have insulating material in some places. We must have carefull in sellecting reverbs too, when trying new settings.

By the way: Who here play some musics of Elton John???
YC5 would be great for some of his compositions.

If nobody risks to sing, some strings accompaniment would be perfect to represent the vocals.

Jake Johnson wrote:

Remember that this was built with the Chamber preset--there's a lot of hall in the sound.

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:02:31 +0000

Remember that this was built with the Chamber preset--there's a lot of hall in the sound.

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:02:08 +0000

Eighth try it's better, but also have just a few "vibrating singing", despite less than seventh try.

These videos of Yamaha C5 seams to sound appropriated to classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EjF9hEhyY

This C5 is more bright, but less "Rock" than our add-on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWMLG57wARE

Here to sound could be better... video cameras left in quality... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kDn4mnIh88

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:18:33 +0000

Well, I took a seventh run at it, but I disliked the result--the more I adjusted the bass, the more distant and indistinct the sound became. I'm posting it just to show the problem. I moved the mics for an eighth version that I think you'll agree is better, and posted a hastily-done mp3 for it. Here's the seventh, eighth, and the m3 for the eighth (the name of which I managed to misspell on the Files page). You may just want to listen to the mp3 for the eighth first:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...ording.fxp

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...%20mp3.mp3

Is the midrange a little poppy--do the medium strikes have a but too much hammer noise? (Apparently I have trouble hearing this after drafting...)

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:22:00 +0000

This sounded funny... :-)

Not necessary a Steunway-B, but having in mind a good soft piano for classic, but with a present bass.

Maybe it's would be a too daring task, considering a Yamaha C5 and a Steinway-B are almost so different as a apple to a pineapple.

Jake Johnson wrote:

(I didn't know that I was trying to create a Steinway B, here. The Steinway B was in another thread, I thought.)

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:45:59 +0000

(I didn't know that I was trying to create a Steinway B, here. The Steinway B was in another thread, I thought.)

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:56:56 +0000

Yes, it's a bit loud on bass.
The whole piano still far from a Steinway-B, but It's probable the limitation of Yamaha itself.

A2 do not sound much pleasant. Like had a flu.

Funny, today I dreamed I met a pianist, and I try to play the same Grand piano he was playing, and there was the combined vibration in some notes.
Maybe the anexed vibration, which you liked, ist's really part of some models.

Jake Johnson wrote:

I hear the rattle, now. I like it, actually. But I'm creating Try 7, which I think cuts it. Is it just the one note?
By the way, are the bass notes a tad too loud? I raised them a decibel when I worried that the bass was getting a little dark. Now I'm not sure it was wise.

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:03:49 +0000

I hear the rattle, now. I like it, actually. But I'm creating Try 7, which I think cuts it. Is it just the one note?

By the way, are the bass notes a tad too loud? I raised them a decibel when I worried that the bass was getting a little dark. Now I'm not sure it was wise.

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:34:09 +0000

No, it's F2. I always consider the first C of keyboard as C1 and not C-zero. The sound have a vibration together, like something vibrate appart from the key itself. Pianoteq's ressonance precision make this little deffect so real, like there was really a screw not very tight, or some metal piece placed over the harp.

Note, this vibration is not part of Modart original settings for YC5 models !!!

Jake Johnson wrote:

Is it F2? Not F3, the one below middle C? (That range gave me a lot of trouble.)

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:18:47 +0000

Is it F2? Not F3, the one below middle C? (That range gave me a lot of trouble.)

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:41:36 +0000

Jake, both models now, with corrected mic position, seens better. But "sixth try corrected" have a vibration in F2, even if I play MP.

Maybe a average of corrected sixth try and corected fifth try, maybe could be interesting.

I'm the anoying guy in the restaurant, who ask "3 drops and a half" of sweetener on my tea. :-)

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:16:34 +0000

Yikes. I just opened the version 5 YC5 and version 6 YC5fxp, and found that the mics had changed radically from the preset mic settings. I must have had another preset loaded at some point and had Freeze settings on.

I've uploaded corrected versions of both fxps. We've been hearing very different things. I may like number 5 better, now. Still may not be your cup of tea, but I think you'll agree it's better with the correct mic settings.

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:53:25 +0000

Yes, I tried, but the sound was quite strong for soft classic. It's not a bad piano with version 6 adjust, and I think many people will really like it and enjoy to play around.
But it's that... it's just not the sound I'm trying to get.

It's not a simple matter of complain about modelled technology. I once tried play a demo of a well know Bosendorfer sampler, and for me it was a complete waste, a dead thing.
I didn't like the sound of any real piano on a music school, as they were ideal shape, and not in prime tune.

I'm a person very difficult to please. You would get mad if try to sell me a shoe (shoe store).

Jake Johnson wrote:

Did you try version 6? The mp3 was for version 5.

Re: For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:27:28 +0000

Did you try version 6? The mp3 was for version 5.