DO NOT BUY ANY PHILIPS HEADPHONE !!!!!!!!!!

I bought one and the sound was ok, but after days of use I notice today a noise distortion, and my ears start to buzz after minutes with it.

Philips seens to manufacture headphones products to have a very short life. Good quality in begining of use, and fine price, but after days, and in this case with piano with strong bass notes, the phones do not suported.

Stay away from Philips's headphone folks.

I will try the guaranty to see if they change of fix it, but even if they fix I will not use more. I think I will just give to someone.

It's not the first time a headphone do not suport F bass notes. Piano bass seens to be a demolisher of weak headphones.

Christmas has passed, and I've had a chance to test the new AKG K240 II headphones.

First impression - they were made for people with very small ears - my external ears are average or smaller in size, and the earcups on the 'phones were really uncomfortable until I made some "adjustments".  The first was to lessen the clamping effect by "unbending the two plastic coated metal springs; the second was to stretch the earcups into a partially elliptical shape (does anyone really have round ears?  What were they thinking?).

Second impression (compared to my Seinnheiser HD340 - now about 17 years old) - very similar except the AKGs have weaker highs.  I suspect that others would notice this more than I because I have some high frequency hearing loss.

For me, they are essentially interchangeable with the Senns.

Third impression - closed style 'phones get warm fast.  The open style HD340 can be worn for hours at a time without melting.

The AKGs were a Christmas gift I picked, so I can't complain.

Glenn

THanks a lot!

Greg.

Jake,
Here's one for starters:
http://www.purgatorycreek.com/mp3/Real%...0B-192.mp3

I expect an FXP by the end of the day. Chop chop........

Greg.

I asked for that, I guess.

(I wish that another, slower midi file had been chosen for that site. And I'd hate to guess how many times I've heard that *&^## file.  I hope we get those B samples soon. Chomping at the bit, here.

Piet, when i have tooled around with v-piano at the local guitarcenter, i have found that adding bass in the EQ and softening the hammers -10 to -20 really sounded more pleasing, and realistic to me.  i have a steinway model L and it was closer to it. and just a rip to play.   i don't think the factory presets are all that great for either vintage 1 or 2.  but i also found the tweaks more intuitive-  for me, the layman- than pianoteq's - where i get lost and remain clueless. 

but i will tell you this,  if i buy the vpiano i am sure i will be alone out there, with nobody to help me.  the pianoteq support apparatus is amazing to me and is a huge advantage.

so somebody come up with an fxp that splits the difference.....

PS:  the silver strings in vpiano- while "gimmicky" are still- really, really cool

I expect an FXP by the end of the day. Chop chop........

Greg.

Great thread. Thanks for posting these files.

Skip: Could you post an mp3 or two of piano sounds that you can't reproduce in PT? Could we have a go at them?

Round 1

;-)

For convenience I have recorded the midi files that you provided with Pianoteq C3 solo recording and M3 recording default presets. The only thing I changed was reducing the volume and adapting the reverb to have more or less the same as in the V-piano demos. No external effect.

The files are available in the files section, here are the links:
Improvisation 1 played with C3 solo recording
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...piece1.mp3
Improvisation 2 played with C3 solo recording
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...piece2.mp3
Improvisation 2 played with M3 recording
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...piece2.mp3

And if you had world enough and time, you might do the opposite, too, trying to duplicate a note or two from PT.

Emulations of emulations? (Cross-emulation?) Well, yes, but it might let us better determine the differences in the sound, and stretch our understanding of how to change a note in PT.

Thanks if you can, and if you think this exercise might be worthwhile.

Glenn

On second thought, I think it's far too complex.  There are simply too many variables that affect the outcome, the most influential of which may be personal taste.

Piet, be careful to do not broke any virtual string in the most powerfull chords passages.   ;-)

I could notice some notes sounding artificial on V-piano, and also with a metalic springy sound, specially in FF or FFF stikes.
Well I did never played a real Steinway-D, just listened recordings. But I supose that for a professional pianist, these problems would like that "say", "told" hin this is not a Steinway-D, he is not playing a Steinway-D sound.

Just my humble opinion.

Thanks for posting these. If you get the chance, could you tell us, off hand, which PT presets you hear as sounding closest to the two VP presets that you used?

. . . demonstrated the V-Piano's capability of damping gradually (it's not just 'on' or 'off', but there's half-damping as well). And there's also a short bit where you can hear the sympathetic resonances.
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Both my Rolands had/have continuous damper control output.  I was surprised to learn that so many DPs don't.  The KR377 dates back to about 2000 (nine years old).  Although I will confess that the values down around zero don't seem to have much noticeable effect.

http://www.rolandus.com/products/produc...ductId=328
http://www.roland.com/products/en/KR-7/index.html

Glenn