weightedKeys wrote:

I own the fp-10 and I got around this problem with this : https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php with a Roland RPU-3

Hi Yves, can you tell me more about how that setup with the MIDI expression works?
My keyboard only supports on/off sustain switching, and it might be good to get a better pedal...

Hi WeightedKeys,
I own a triple pedal roland RPU-3 that I connect to the "midi expression blue interface", itself connected to my PC by USB. With the software provided with midi-expression (Midi expression control) I configured the three pedals CC64, CC66 and CC69. It is even possible to modify the curves of these pedals. Then you just have to activate "MIDI expression BLUE" in the MIDI input of pianoteq.
I hope this informations will help you.

ah perfect!! that is pretty straight forward. thank you.

I own the fp-10 and I got around this problem with this : https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php with a Roland RPU-3

Hi Yves, can you tell me more about how that setup with the MIDI expression works?
My keyboard only supports on/off sustain switching, and it might be good to get a better pedal...

Hi WeightedKeys,
I own a triple pedal roland RPU-3 that I connect to the "midi expression blue interface", itself connected to my PC by USB. With the software provided with midi-expression (Midi expression control) I configured the three pedals CC64, CC66 and CC69. It is even possible to modify the curves of these pedals. Then you just have to activate "MIDI expression BLUE" in the MIDI input of pianoteq.
I hope this informations will help you.

I own the fp-10 and I got around this problem with this : https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php with a Roland RPU-3

Hi Yves, can you tell me more about how that setup with the MIDI expression works?
My keyboard only supports on/off sustain switching, and it might be good to get a better pedal...

I don't know why it's so attractive - perhaps it's that few of us 'average' people have ever played a 9 foot concert grand; perhaps it's that almost all of us are playing on small keyboards, and that the auditory impression of the 9 foot concert grand just doesn't mesh with what we see in front of us as we play (never mind the wall that's usually stuck in place just behind what we play).

Whatever it is, the B is a delight wrapped up in a midsize package.

And, as its bass got bigger with the upgrade to match that of the real instrument, there's potential to build-out smaller.  In fact, bring back the old pre-7.5 slightly weaker bass response, shorten the soundboard, and each of us could have a PIanoteq rendition of a Model M or a Model L/O in our bedroom or living room.  :-)  Just the thing for an 'at home' Steinway.

- I LOOOOVE the Steinway B
- really like the U4, but I go back to the steinway very quickly
- the Bechstein is still alright, but I could imagine haven chosen a different instrument instead.

(am still a learner, but the fact that i end up hooked to playing/practising the 'piano' for hours and hours is pretty amazing ;-) )

funny enough, 'playing along' to this track with the Steinway B sounds like it is exactly the same instrument:
https://youtu.be/QUMuDWDVd20

yes, presets were of course the same. regarding volume, they were similar.

it was really interesting, I played for hours on my windows machine, and then I tried pianoteq on the Mac, and was surprised that the instruments sounded very very different.

not a complaint, just trying to figure out how these things work.

might be that it's the soundcard on the Mac. or the DA conversion...

The load presented to the headphone amplifier section can change the performance. Generally less than the differences between the headphones themselves though.
So yes, maybe your sound interface sounds that different to the headphone amplifier in the laptop.
It might also be something in the sound settings in the operating systems.

it was really interesting, I played for hours on my windows machine, and then I tried pianoteq on the Mac, and was surprised that the instruments sounded very very different.

not a complaint, just trying to figure out how these things work.

might be that it's the soundcard on the Mac. or the DA conversion...

sadhö wrote:

did I say that I don't like the upright?! - after the comments here I just had to start it up once again. turned of the limiter=), stretched the octaves and "a la monk"

yeah. love it also! and it also has nice resonance=)

yes, amazing instruments. and very different to the grand pianos.
glad I bought it.

I haven't checked out the options to tweak the sounds yet. that's another rabbit hole... :-)

by the way (and yet another change of topic):
I installed pianoteq also on my laptop (an older MacBook Pro, maybe 2016 model) - and the sounds I get (from the onboard soundcard) are distinctly different from the ones I get on my windows computer (with proper audio interface).

are the differences in sound due to the soundcards, or due to the different CPUs?

(oh, and I should add that I used the same studio monitor headphones with both computers.)

Check sound pressure output levels genuinely match and the presets match in direct A/B comparison.

did I say that I don't like the upright?! - after the comments here I just had to start it up once again. turned of the limiter=), stretched the octaves and "a la monk"

yeah. love it also! and it also has nice resonance=)

yes, amazing instruments. and very different to the grand pianos.
glad I bought it.

I haven't checked out the options to tweak the sounds yet. that's another rabbit hole... :-)

by the way (and yet another change of topic):
I installed pianoteq also on my laptop (an older MacBook Pro, maybe 2016 model) - and the sounds I get (from the onboard soundcard) are distinctly different from the ones I get on my windows computer (with proper audio interface).

are the differences in sound due to the soundcards, or due to the different CPUs?

(oh, and I should add that I used the same studio monitor headphones with both computers.)

yeah. love it also! and it also has nice resonance=)

dazric wrote:

A progressive pedal is better (gives you more subtle control), but check that your keyboard supports it before investing. For example, Roland FP30 supports progressive sustain, but I don't think the FP10 does.

I own the fp-10 and I got around this problem with this : https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php with a Roland RPU-3

I use one of those for expression pedal for synthesizer sounds.

A progressive pedal is better (gives you more subtle control), but check that your keyboard supports it before investing. For example, Roland FP30 supports progressive sustain, but I don't think the FP10 does.

I own the fp-10 and I got around this problem with this : https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php with a Roland RPU-3

A progressive pedal is better (gives you more subtle control), but check that your keyboard supports it before investing. For example, Roland FP30 supports progressive sustain, but I don't think the FP10 does.

oh that's a good point!
my keyboard is pretty old, but the key action feels alright.

it has inputs for an expression pedal and a sustain pedal - you think the expression pedal could be assigned for progressive sustain?
the connection to the sustain pedal is called 'sustain switch jack' - therefore most likely no progressive sustain support.

all DONE!

I sticked to my initial choice, and went for Steinway B, Bechstein, and the U4
thanks again for all the help.

aaand, if I can divert a little bit: what about pedals?

I only have a 'sustain pedal' that switches on/off - how important do you think it is to get a proper pedal that recognises half-pressed sustain etc?
and if it is important: what pedal model would you suggest, that doesn't cost a fortune, but does the job?

Get this sorted first:
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9071

More sophisticated pedals are relatively unimportant in comparison. Hence the existence of many entry level graded hammer action pianos with single on/off pedals and in contrast absolutely no synth action keyboards with triple piano pedals!