https://www.qrsmusic.com/PNOScan.php

The problem is the cost right now is well over what I can afford at $11,800, or about the same price as two Roland LX-17s. I have an LX-17 now meh and I find playing on it very fatiguing. I thought installing this on my real piano would solve this problem.

RG wrote:

any recommendations / experiences regarding your hybrid piano evaluation?

Yup, I love (love!) the Kawai Novus ones. My Novus NV10s needed a fair bit of room correction but now sounds lovely. I can imagine that the newer NV12, which has a transducer driven soundboard, has better projection but I haven't played with it yet. People who like upright key geometries swear on the NV5, which is also equipped with a soundboard.

I found that the Yamaha AvantGrand hybrids had very good audio engineering but the remaining technology is a bit dated. I personally couldn't stand their key action.

Tnxs for your thoughts! The Novus are in my focus as well, so probably time to test them

any recommendations / experiences regarding your hybrid piano evaluation?

Yup, I love (love!) the Kawai Novus ones. My Novus NV10s needed a fair bit of room correction but now sounds lovely. I can imagine that the newer NV12, which has a transducer driven soundboard, has better projection but I haven't played with it yet. People who like upright key geometries swear on the NV5, which is also equipped with a soundboard.

I found that the Yamaha AvantGrand hybrids had very good audio engineering but the remaining technology is a bit dated. I personally couldn't stand their key action.

Heya, just as a datapoint: Originally it was my plan to buy an acoustic with a silent system because I figured that this would give me the best key action. What I found is, though, that in my area the acoustics with silent systems were significantly lower in quality than acoustics without the silent system for a similar price - the upmark for the extra feature was just too high.

I ended up getting a "hybrid" piano instead... which is just a fancy marketing term for a digital piano with the authentic full keyboard action of an acoustic. This turned out to be the right decision: the keyboard action is taken from an upmarket line of grand pianos and is, in fact, better than the actions I would have gotten with the pianos that have silent systems equipped. This choice saved a lot of money which I will one day invest in a high quality acoustic without the extra features .

So based on my experience, I'd recommend either going for a hybrid piano or finding a piano you're happy with and retrofitting a silent system.

Of course the market could look different in your area, so ymmv

any recommendations / experiences regarding your hybrid piano evaluation?

I ended up getting a "hybrid" piano instead... which is just a fancy marketing term for a digital piano with the authentic full keyboard action of an acoustic. This turned out to be the right decision: the keyboard action is taken from an upmarket line of grand pianos and is, in fact, better than the actions I would have gotten with the pianos that have silent systems equipped. This choice saved a lot of money which I will one day invest in a high quality acoustic without the extra features .

So based on my experience, I'd recommend either going for a hybrid piano or finding a piano you're happy with and retrofitting a silent system.

Of course the market could look different in your area, so ymmv

Excellent!  How are the 'stuck-on' transducers holding up?

Transducers are sold with an adhesive tape on it. So you just have to remove the protection and make contact with the soundboard. Before sticking, you need to make sure that you have determined the best (= most resonating) place on the soundboard, otherwise it will be hard to unstick. It's been more than a year from now and the transducers don't show any sign of loosening.

Très intéressant, merci d'avoir partagé!

Finally, my wife and I finally decided to buy an upright (W. Hoffman, made by Bechstein in the Czech Republic)...but without their Vario system (their brand of "silent piano" option). The piano is really fantastic, but they had one in the store with the Vario installed and it seemed to be tricky to adjust so as not to interfere with the action of the keys. We decided to keep our Pianoteq setup separate from the acoustic...for now. But this transacoustics thing seem very promising for outputting Pianoteq into it. Probably not with our brand new Hoffman, but I have also an old upright in the basement that is waiting for a new life

Paulo164 wrote:

In case you are interested in, I have setup my own "DIY transacoustic", thanks to simple transducers sticked on the soundboard of my upright piano. It works really well, with quite impressive basses and full midrange tones :

https://www.pianomajeur.net/forum/viewt...ic#p413858

Cool news for your Hofffman, congratulations !

Finally, my wife and I finally decided to buy an upright (W. Hoffman, made by Bechstein in the Czech Republic)...but without their Vario system (their brand of "silent piano" option). The piano is really fantastic, but they had one in the store with the Vario installed and it seemed to be tricky to adjust so as not to interfere with the action of the keys. We decided to keep our Pianoteq setup separate from the acoustic...for now. But this transacoustics thing seem very promising for outputting Pianoteq into it. Probably not with our brand new Hoffman, but I have also an old upright in the basement that is waiting for a new life

thanks guys, lots of interesting info from you three.

I understand  that a fitted acoustic piano won't be better at controlling Pianoteq than a very good MIDI controller (and conceivably worse!). However, the idea is to be able to enjoy the feel and sound of a good acoustic piano while retaining the recording/ midi editing capability, plus of course all the things Pianoteq does, all that  using  a single instrument. But the silent piano option is only one way right? (no acoustic playback).

To take things further, could a Diskclavier or similar acoustic piano recording AND playback  system work seamlessly with  Pianoteq and/or a MIDI sequencer like Logic? I mean: you record from the acoustic piano to Pianoteq or Logic and playback directly on the acoustic? Not even sure Diskclavier has a MIDI input...

In case you are interested in, I have setup my own "DIY transacoustic", thanks to simple transducers sticked on the soundboard of my upright piano. It works really well, with quite impressive basses and full midrange tones :

https://www.pianomajeur.net/forum/viewt...ic#p413858

I have a Yamaha C6 grand with an aftermarket Adsilent system installed.  The built-in sound is terrible (though it is a Pianoteq modeled Steingraeber sound that is very low quality due to the weak chip it's installed on.)  So I do use USB out to a MacBook running Pianoteq.

It works flawlessly after calibration.  However, it was a several thousand dollar retrofit and really isn't better than my VPC-1 Pianoteq set-up.

Hi,
I have also an adSilent system installed on my upright.
Is your setup really flawless ? Mine is okay but sometimes I get some inconsistencies with velocity values.
Also, when repeating a note quickly, it can output high velocity errors (=127) on some hits, similar to the reported "NU1 issue".
Finally, how did you manage to have the "Steingraeber" edition as this one is sold exclusively with brand new Steingraeber pianos (info confirmed by the adSilent system owner himself) ?
Thank you !

I understand  that a fitted acoustic piano won't be better at controlling Pianoteq than a very good MIDI controller (and conceivably worse!). However, the idea is to be able to enjoy the feel and sound of a good acoustic piano while retaining the recording/ midi editing capability, plus of course all the things Pianoteq does, all that  using  a single instrument. But the silent piano option is only one way right? (no acoustic playback).

To take things further, could a Diskclavier or similar acoustic piano recording AND playback  system work seamlessly with  Pianoteq and/or a MIDI sequencer like Logic? I mean: you record from the acoustic piano to Pianoteq or Logic and playback directly on the acoustic? Not even sure Diskclavier has a MIDI input...

It works flawlessly after calibration.  However, it was a several thousand dollar retrofit and really isn't better than my VPC-1 Pianoteq set-up.