Philippe Guillaume wrote:

olepro wrote:

But if I choose mono output, the fx also turns into mono, which is not the preferred result.
What I want is to have the instrument as mono, going into the stereo FX.
The E piano's is not originally stereo instruments, so there should be a instrument mono option before the FX section

Thank you olepro, I understand now, you want that effects transform mono to stereo.

Hi Philippe,
I imagine everyone would've expected it to work that way, to be authentic.  Or to have the options of mono or stereo out.

Thank you all for the suggestion, we will look at it.

olepro wrote:

But if I choose mono output, the fx also turns into mono, which is not the preferred result.
What I want is to have the instrument as mono, going into the stereo FX.
The E piano's is not originally stereo instruments, so there should be a instrument mono option before the FX section

Thank you olepro, I understand now, you want that effects transform mono to stereo.

Hi Philippe,
I imagine everyone would've expected it to work that way, to be authentic.  Or to have the options of mono or stereo out.

But if I choose mono output, the fx also turns into mono, which is not the preferred result.
What I want is to have the instrument as mono, going into the stereo FX.
The E piano's is not originally stereo instruments, so there should be a instrument mono option before the FX section

Thank you olepro, I understand now, you want that effects transform mono to stereo.

olepro wrote:

I have also wondered why this solution has been chosen, and have previously asked the same question
Is there a logical or technical reason why the summing to mono is after the FX section?

I probably don't understand your question, the FX section comes after choosing mono or stereo (mono is not summing, it is just mono).

Is it possible to add a line out option where you select microphones?

Same here, I think I don't understand your question, "Line out" means no mics (nor acoustic simulation of the space surrounding the electro-acoustic instrument). "Line out" can be mono or stereo, and if you switch to "Room mic", these line out feed the mics via an acoustic field.

But if I choose mono output, the fx also turns into mono, which is not the preferred result.
What I want is to have the instrument as mono, going into the stereo FX.
The E piano's is not originally stereo instruments, so there should be a instrument mono option before the FX section

I have also wondered why this solution has been chosen, and have previously asked the same question
Is there a logical or technical reason why the summing to mono is after the FX section?

I probably don't understand your question, the FX section comes after choosing mono or stereo (mono is not summing, it is just mono).

Same here, I think I don't understand your question, "Line out" means no mics (nor acoustic simulation of the space surrounding the electro-acoustic instrument). "Line out" can be mono or stereo, and if you switch to "Room mic", these line out feed the mics via an acoustic field.

Is it possible to add a line out option where you select microphones?

Best regards

Thanks Philippe. This works nicely. However, it raises a question for me which is how would it be possible to recreate exactly the line-out modelling for the e-pianos through the use of the mics, each of which has its own character I guess, and then the placement would always produce something a little different than the actual line-out?

If the mic type is "perfect-omni" and if it is set close to the instrument (as in the fxp I linked in the other post), then the sound will be very close to the line out. You can check it by comparing the same fxp with mono Line out selected and disabling all effects.

The mono or stereo "Line out" outputs are available only for the electric pianos. For the acoustic pianos, the corresponding output would be the one called "Stereophonic", which simply consists in a particular position for a pair of omni mics, as you can see by double clicking in the mic window (Standard or Pro version), which will reveal the mic position.

Regarding acoustic instruments, a good way of achieving what you are seeking is to place first two mics in an adequate position, and then adjust the stereo width itself (which is bound by the position of the mics feeding it). A good example might be the "NY Steinway D Player Clean" preset, which I think achieves nicely what you are asking for when you increase the stereo width.

I'm interested in the line-out signal for the other pianos too. Just as an aside, I've been trying to utilise the stereo line out model for the acoustic pianos, with a view to recreating a left channel more bass notes, and right channel more upper keyboard effect, and around middle c more centred. It's quite pronounced with some other vst pianos and I'm after getting that effect. I find the stereo width slider does not provide the answer to this.

Many thanks,
Ian

I'm trying to do this; basically, make the Rhodes electric piano have mono out, and then utilise stereo fx. Thing is, when you set the mic/line output to mono, it also monos the fx - so, no stereo tremolo, chorus etc. I've tried setting the mic/outputs to stereo line out and minimising stereo width - but, the stereo width control does not seem to do much here. If I'm right, the real rhodes would be mono out. Using the stereo line out in Pianoteq seems a bit artificial.

One solution, if you have the standard version, is to switch to "Room mic" output, keep exactly two mics (in case there are more) and put them at the same position (right clic on each mic allows you to set its position precisely). The resulting sound will be mono if no effects are applied, but will be stereo with effects.

Example uploaded to the fxp corner:
https://forum.modartt.com//file/wbgnd5i