Congratulations to the Modartt team.

As always, I make a backup, physically by copying my presets folder to another hard disk, prior to making any changes. Should there be a whoopsie, I can always copy my preset or presets back and not miss a beat.

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

Schlawiano wrote:

You're right, I compared the "Reverbs".

Version 7.3 has a value of 1.5 s, version 7.4.1 of 2.0 s.
I don't know why modartt changes existing profiles in such a way.
So I am forced to either use an old version or to adapt every profile that I want to use.
It's really not nice.

Not only the duration, but also the reverb itself is different: "Concert Hall" in 7.4.1, "Medium Hall" in 7.3.

The beta testers liked this new reverb (as well as users here, cf. some other threads), so we replaced the previous reverb with the new one in the "Classical Recording" presets of all contemporary pianos, and only in these ones.

Please note that the settings in those "Classical Recording" presets are typically designed for recording classical music where it shines particularly on complex pieces, see related examples on page https://www.modartt.com/modeld. In any case, there is no "ideal" reverb, each kind of music piece requires it's own settings.

I am a software architect and software engineer in the medical industry. For example, if I change medication profiles for some clients, I have to assume that others are dissatisfied. Customers get used to scenarios, workflows and so on.

That's how it is here.
It wasn't a good way to change existing profiles for some users and leave others unhappy. It would be better to create a new profile.

I will continue to use 7.3 for the time being.
Nevertheless, many thanks for the feedback and the note with the reverb

I understand your point, and you have much more responsibilities with your patients than us with our users. It must be terrifying sometimes (at least that's how I imagine it in the medical industry).

Schlawiano wrote:

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

The difference comes from the reverb. If you prefer the previous one, which is of course a matter of taste, feel free to change it.

FYI, if you want to see previous settings, you can download any previous version from the user area with urls of the form "www.modartt.com/download?file=pianoteq_setup_v730.exe" (you need to login first in the user area)

You're right, I compared the "Reverbs".

Version 7.3 has a value of 1.5 s, version 7.4.1 of 2.0 s.
I don't know why modartt changes existing profiles in such a way.
So I am forced to either use an old version or to adapt every profile that I want to use.
It's really not nice.

Not only the duration, but also the reverb itself is different: "Concert Hall" in 7.4.1, "Medium Hall" in 7.3.

The beta testers liked this new reverb (as well as users here, cf. some other threads), so we replaced the previous reverb with the new one in the "Classical Recording" presets of all contemporary pianos, and only in these ones.

Please note that the settings in those "Classical Recording" presets are typically designed for recording classical music where it shines particularly on complex pieces, see related examples on page https://www.modartt.com/modeld. In any case, there is no "ideal" reverb, each kind of music piece requires it's own settings.

I am a software architect and software engineer in the medical industry. For example, if I change medication profiles for some clients, I have to assume that others are dissatisfied. Customers get used to scenarios, workflows and so on.

That's how it is here.
It wasn't a good way to change existing profiles for some users and leave others unhappy. It would be better to create a new profile.

I will continue to use 7.3 for the time being.
Nevertheless, many thanks for the feedback and the note with the reverb

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

Schlawiano wrote:

Here is small comparison below, unfortunately only recorded with the mobile phone.

http://phobal.de/temp/VID_20210714_162208.mp4
( 7.3 on the left, 7.4.1 on the right )

The resonances are longer in these areas and do not sound clean. It sounds like 2 bees arguing ;-)

The difference comes from the reverb. If you prefer the previous one, which is of course a matter of taste, feel free to change it.

FYI, if you want to see previous settings, you can download any previous version from the user area with urls of the form "www.modartt.com/download?file=pianoteq_setup_v730.exe" (you need to login first in the user area)

You're right, I compared the "Reverbs".

Version 7.3 has a value of 1.5 s, version 7.4.1 of 2.0 s.
I don't know why modartt changes existing profiles in such a way.
So I am forced to either use an old version or to adapt every profile that I want to use.
It's really not nice.

Not only the duration, but also the reverb itself is different: "Concert Hall" in 7.4.1, "Medium Hall" in 7.3.

The beta testers liked this new reverb (as well as users here, cf. some other threads), so we replaced the previous reverb with the new one in the "Classical Recording" presets of all contemporary pianos, and only in these ones.

Please note that the settings in those "Classical Recording" presets are typically designed for recording classical music where it shines particularly on complex pieces, see related examples on page https://www.modartt.com/modeld. In any case, there is no "ideal" reverb, each kind of music piece requires it's own settings.

Schlawiano wrote:

julien wrote:

Can you contact us at https://www.modartt.com/support?direct=1 and supply an example highlighting the issue ? ( midi file  + fxp + wav file from v7.3 and 7.4.1 )

Here is small comparison below, unfortunately only recorded with the mobile phone.

http://phobal.de/temp/VID_20210714_162208.mp4
( 7.3 on the left, 7.4.1 on the right )

The resonances are longer in these areas and do not sound clean. It sounds like 2 bees arguing ;-)

The difference comes from the reverb. If you prefer the previous one, which is of course a matter of taste, feel free to change it.

FYI, if you want to see previous settings, you can download any previous version from the user area with urls of the form "www.modartt.com/download?file=pianoteq_setup_v730.exe" (you need to login first in the user area)

You're right, I compared the "Reverbs".

Version 7.3 has a value of 1.5 s, version 7.4.1 of 2.0 s.
I don't know why modartt changes existing profiles in such a way.
So I am forced to either use an old version or to adapt every profile that I want to use.
It's really not nice.

julien wrote:

Jomukaiya wrote:

Modartt R&D team - Please look into this.

Can you contact us at https://www.modartt.com/support?direct=1 and supply an example highlighting the issue ? ( midi file  + fxp + wav file from v7.3 and 7.4.1 )

Here is small comparison below, unfortunately only recorded with the mobile phone.

http://phobal.de/temp/VID_20210714_162208.mp4
( 7.3 on the left, 7.4.1 on the right )

The resonances are longer in these areas and do not sound clean. It sounds like 2 bees arguing ;-)

The difference comes from the reverb. If you prefer the previous one, which is of course a matter of taste, feel free to change it.

FYI, if you want to see previous settings, you can download any previous version from the user area with urls of the form "www.modartt.com/download?file=pianoteq_setup_v730.exe" (you need to login first in the user area)

Jomukaiya wrote:

Modartt R&D team - Please look into this.

Can you contact us at https://www.modartt.com/support?direct=1 and supply an example highlighting the issue ? ( midi file  + fxp + wav file from v7.3 and 7.4.1 )

Here is small comparison below, unfortunately only recorded with the mobile phone.

http://phobal.de/temp/VID_20210714_162208.mp4
( 7.3 on the left, 7.4.1 on the right )

The resonances are longer in these areas and do not sound clean. It sounds like 2 bees arguing ;-)

May I ask you guys Schlawiano and Jomukaiya, if you are using one of the original presets or if this problem it's more when you use a FXP you created in 7.3 or earlier?
Maybe a personal setting adjust that was better to 7.3 it's not the best for 7.4.

I have a suggestion for these problems. There are many revoicings (mostly not settings parameters allowed to users) Modartt did for improve the sound a bit, but there is always a personal taste involved that vary from person to person.  What about a option, like a new Undo Function (more like a time machine I should say), for each model, to come back to a earlier voicing from a previous version?

This would avoid the need to keep as older version installed.

I use both, but it also occurs in both.

I have a suggestion for these problems. There are many revoicings (mostly not settings parameters allowed to users) Modartt did for improve the sound a bit, but there is always a personal taste involved that vary from person to person.  What about a option, like a new Undo Function (more like a time machine I should say), for each model, to come back to a earlier voicing from a previous version?

This would avoid the need to keep as older version installed.

Modartt R&D team - Please look into this.

Can you contact us at https://www.modartt.com/support?direct=1 and supply an example highlighting the issue ? ( midi file  + fxp + wav file from v7.3 and 7.4.1 )

Modartt R&D team - Please look into this.

Jomukaiya

with version 7.4, the sound is no longer so clean. Too many resonances in high areas. It sounds less real.
(I use it with VPC1, Focusrite 2x via asio driver)
I switched back to 7.3.

Is there a switch to restore the sound from the 7.3?

Best regards
Karsten