Nathan, please record a nice example comparing 7.1 to 7.2
:-)

Hmm... I just might have to do that...

Nathan, please record a nice example comparing 7.1 to 7.2
:-)

Philippe Guillaume, I am truly thrilled!

I have to say that Pianoteq (Modartt company) is a blessing from God for my life.

You are a person blessed by God to create this program called Pianoteq. His professionalism, talent and humility are amazing!

Thank you. I say this with sincerity and with my heart!

I think this sums up (more or less) what dedicated users tend to think about Pianoteq. There's lots of software that could be described as 'useful' or 'enjoyable' - but Pianoteq is so much more than just software!

Beto-Music wrote:

Philippe, sorry, I expressed myself wrong.

I mean about the new "longer perceived sustein" be added as new feature or as new presets, but only in case the V7.1 version be closer to the true NY Steinway than the new updated 7.2.

For example, if some characteristic or quality is enhanced beyond the original piano, it could be added like a feature, or like special presets or adjusts like On/Off sellection, to keep the modelled version as close as possible to the original.

So, I'm curious: Is the NY Steinway in V7.2 now closer to the real NY Steinway, or is it even better than the real one in this aspect of sustein perceivable duration?

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

Don't forget you can increase the Soundboard Impedance in the Design section, which allows very long sustain.

Hi Beto-Music,
Im' not sure the new "longer perceived sustein" should be added as a new feature, I see it more as a small correction brought to the NY Steinway D Pianoteq model during its youth. As intensive the beta tests were, there always remain some little details that deserve adjustments (and sometimes even later, when mature, because some new modelling feature has been added, as recently done when releasing version 7). The process is always something like: "there seems to be some weakness here, well, let's see what the reference instrument tells... Oh yes, that is something that can be improved, let's try", and so on.

Philippe Guillaume, I am truly thrilled!

I have to say that Pianoteq (Modartt company) is a blessing from God for my life.

You are a person blessed by God to create this program called Pianoteq. His professionalism, talent and humility are amazing!

Thank you. I say this with sincerity and with my heart!

Yeah, a nice improvement policy. For a example of enhancement, like I said above, it's the extended keyboard range, specially for historic instruments and some short key range instruments. Today we have option for original or extended range to choose, preserving originality.

Philippe, sorry, I expressed myself wrong.

I mean about the new "longer perceived sustein" be added as new feature or as new presets, but only in case the V7.1 version be closer to the true NY Steinway than the new updated 7.2.

For example, if some characteristic or quality is enhanced beyond the original piano, it could be added like a feature, or like special presets or adjusts like On/Off sellection, to keep the modelled version as close as possible to the original.

So, I'm curious: Is the NY Steinway in V7.2 now closer to the real NY Steinway, or is it even better than the real one in this aspect of sustein perceivable duration?

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

Beto-Music wrote:

Perhaps a button for extra long sustein

Don't forget you can increase the Soundboard Impedance in the Design section, which allows very long sustain.

Hi Beto-Music,
Im' not sure the new "longer perceived sustein" should be added as a new feature, I see it more as a small correction brought to the NY Steinway D Pianoteq model during its youth. As intensive the beta tests were, there always remain some little details that deserve adjustments (and sometimes even later, when mature, because some new modelling feature has been added, as recently done when releasing version 7). The process is always something like: "there seems to be some weakness here, well, let's see what the reference instrument tells... Oh yes, that is something that can be improved, let's try", and so on.

I mean about the new "longer perceived sustein" be added as new feature or as new presets, but only in case the V7.1 version be closer to the true NY Steinway than the new updated 7.2.

For example, if some characteristic or quality is enhanced beyond the original piano, it could be added like a feature, or like special presets or adjusts like On/Off sellection, to keep the modelled version as close as possible to the original.

So, I'm curious: Is the NY Steinway in V7.2 now closer to the real NY Steinway, or is it even better than the real one in this aspect of sustein perceivable duration?

Perhaps a button for extra long sustein

Don't forget you can increase the Soundboard Impedance in the Design section, which allows very long sustain.

It's difficult to please greeks and trojans at same time.

I recorded a little MIDI example which I think shows the bass sustain differences of the various pianos in a musical context. On a good grand piano you'll typically hear a strong pedal tone like this sustain with decent power for a significant time. I think the modeled Hamburg matches what I expect pretty nicely. Again, I do think total sustain time is also very important, just that "sustain power" is more noticeable in most musical contexts. Here's the MIDI file:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11mmmyC...sp=sharing

Nice example and interesting test case, thank you Nathan, we'll have a close look.

...One day it might be interesting to be able to change strings in Pianoteq, from steel, to iron, to gut, to silver and gold wound, etc., and perhaps soundboard materials/types too...

That would indeed be interesting. Sympathetic resonance of the strings to external/ambient sounds would be interesting too, but probably not high on anyone's wish list... except maybe some experimental/avant-guarde composers?

Equally important for me is the wonderfully believable quality of the shifting sound as the sustained notes decay, something that no sampled piano comes close to. I love listening to the decay on the final chord or notes at the end of a piece.

Out of interest, I had the fortune and privilege to play a 1932 (I think) Bosendorfer in Paris a decade ago. I sat listening to the dying notes at the end of my little session, foot on the sustain pedal, wondering how long it would go on. In fact, it seemed like it would never end. I only stopped when some friends arrived, minutes later. I have a recording somewhere. If I ever find it, I'll see how long it was until I stopped, but even then, it was still audible up to that point!

Yes, Pianoteq has done very well in this area, and it keeps getting better.

On a side note, I recorded on a rebuilt Knabe concert grand from the late 1800's which used steel wound bass strings. I didn't time its sustain length (I'm sure it's significant), but its sustaining power was amazing. Bosendorfers have unique soundboards which tie directly into the frame of the instrument. I'm sure that plays a role in their rich/full sustain. One day it might be interesting to be able to change strings in Pianoteq, from steel, to iron, to gut, to silver and gold wound, etc., and perhaps soundboard materials/types too...