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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972512#p972512</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again.&nbsp; I won&#039;t give up on them yet.&nbsp; :-)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The GR1s might also need a lot of burn-in to open up their sound. A pair of Sennheisers I&#039;ve used certainly did.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972510#p972510</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks groovy, I hadn&#039;t seen that tiny footnote text about the Standard.</p><p>Quoting the same figure for all 3 impedances certainly would cause us to suspect it&#039;s wattage input, which is efficiency as per Emotiva&#039;s specs. And another search on that basis finds someone with a test report confirming that:</p><p>&quot;The sensitivity of the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro headphones is 101.53 dB/V SPL by the voltage and 95.56 dB/mW SPL by the power. The sensitivity by voltage reflects the relative &quot;loudness&quot; of the headphones among others - the higher is the value, the louder are the headphones.&quot;</p><p><a href="https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/user-report.php?id=564#gsc.tab=0">https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en...#gsc.tab=0</a></p><p>So the GR1s are claiming 10dB higher SPL if they also are measuring 1mW input.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Platypus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972463#p972463</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>thank you, groovy. I will try the headphones on another source, both of them. Perhaps the openness is my interpretation of the amount of ambient sound that gets in when I wear the byerdynamics DT880 versus the emotiva GR-1 set (the byerdynamics are notably more transparent to outside ambient sounds.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (dklein)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2020 14:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972458#p972458</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Platypus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Neither are provided with very clear specifications regarding Sensitivity - for the DT880, Beyerdynamic state 96dB sensitivity without any qualification.</p></blockquote></div><p>Beyerdynamic qualifies it in the datasheet:<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Nominal SPL ... 96 dB
(all specifications according to EN 60 268-7)</code></pre></div><p>This is a clear, but only implicit specification. &quot;EN 60 268-7&quot; is an international standard, but I can&#039;t find this text at the moment (and payware probably).</p><p>But I&#039;m quite sure this modern standard is the SPL at 1 kHz and 1 mW.</p><p>@dklein<br />Because of the weak level of the Steinberg, I am not sure, if it has a real (active electronics) headphone amp inside at all. Are you sure the headphone out is not just the Line out tapped with resistors? Could be an explanation, why your GR-1 sounds less &quot;open&quot; and bassier, because the volume pot has another level (40% vs. 100%) and this implicates a higher output impedance when carried out just with resistors. Just an idea ...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972454#p972454</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Platypus.&nbsp; Indeed such seems the case volume-wise.&nbsp; What I can&#039;t understand is whether I have such greater preference for the transparent openness of the DT880 pair, a disdain for the increased detail of the GR-1 (which may be partly volume-driven, even though I keep ratcheting it down), or whether the GR-1 pair have a coloration that I don&#039;t like (which may also be artifactual, influenced by the partially-open versus open nature).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (dklein)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Neither are provided with very clear specifications regarding Sensitivity - for the DT880, Beyerdynamic state 96dB sensitivity without any qualification.</p><p>The GR1s are credited with Efficiency of 106 dB, also without any qualification.</p><p>Sensitivity and Efficiency are not exactly the same thing, but if perchance the two terms are being used to describe the result of the same test conditions, that would lead us to expect a higher sound level from the GR1 on the same input signal.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972418#p972418</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Apropos off-topic, I&#039;m actually using a Beyerdynamic DT880 Edition (32 Ohm).</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>dklein wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> &quot;am I hearing headphones or speakers?&quot; sensation</p></blockquote></div><p>hehe, I know that effect with this cans too :-)</p><p>But the headphone out of the Steinberg ur-22 mkII must be pretty weak, when you run your &quot;880 at full volume&quot;, interesting.</p><p>I don&#039;t run them more than 1/3 fullscale on my 2i2 gen2.</p><p>The bass sounds neutral with my setup, what I like. But I guess I know, what you mean.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Platypus, very apropos for me now as I just purchased a new set of headphones and feel that they are different enough that I don&#039;t know if I like them!</p><p>I drive my powered monitor speakers and my headphones with a Steinberg ur-22 mkII, and just got the new Emotiva GR-1 graphene vapor-deposited membrane headphones, to replace my Beyerdynamics 880 set.&nbsp; Both are 32 ohm rated, but I run the 880 at full volume off the ur-22, but have to dial back about 40% to match the volume levels when listening to the GR-1.&nbsp; And the 880 seems more open, as with them there&#039;s more of the &quot;am I hearing headphones or speakers?&quot; sensation, though the bass is better with the Emotiva GR-1.</p><p>All in all, definitely &#039;a first world problem.&#039;</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972406#p972406</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>It also pops into my mind to mention, prompted by reference to a 2i2 interface, that my own 2i4 at about 6 months beyond warranty developed tendencies to click and pop regardless of what it was connected to. Delving inside revealed it is packed with cheap and nasty brands of electrolytic capacitors, but I don&#039;t intend to trawl through replacing them all to see if that is the cause of its malaise. I just hope Yamaha did a better job with the Steinberg UR242 I now use. <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Platypus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972401#p972401</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Nice info, thanks Platypus! Thanks. </p><p>Even on my digital devices, altering input thru to output volumes can still result in old-world analog &quot;hot&quot; or &quot;pallid&quot; signal.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Qexl)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972399#p972399</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Modern devices can mostly be expected to have a low output impedance. IIRC my iPad (or perhaps it&#039;s my Samsung Galaxy) is specified to have a 7Ω output impedance, and I&#039;d expect to discover that was due to a couple of 6.8Ω surface mount resistors if I could look inside. Amplification in these devices is now universally by operational amplifier Integrated Circuits (or digital Pulse Width Modulated output devices), which have virtually zero internal output impedance. Output series resistance is put in place for over-current protection in case of a short circuit, so the device will not be damaged if the headphone output is shorted out.</p><p>Since these devices run on modest voltage supplies internally, the resistance only needs to be small. More professional type gear like mixers can provide higher output voltage to headphones, so typically a higher output series resistance will both provide the desirable short circuit protection, and also attenuate the output level to the headphones, to stop the listener from accidentally blowing their ears up, or damaging headphones (or vice-versa).</p><p>It might be worth mentioning that output impedance can also influence the character of headphone sound, both from the point of view of frequency response and damping.</p><p>Headphones can be designed with either low or high impedance sources in mind, but it&#039;s not often specified which design philosophy has been followed. You may see, for example, studio monitoring &#039;phones specified as something like: Designed for source impedance 120Ω - 250Ω</p><p>Classic studio headphones are the most likely to have been designed to work with high output impedance devices, since historically the headphone outputs from power amplifiers and mixing desks incorporated these sort of values of series resistance. This amount of resistance will interact with the reactance (inductance and capacitance) of headphones, resulting in frequency response variations, and provide no effective damping to control unwanted diaphragm movements. So this style of &#039;phone will be well damped mechanically and will have been designed to have the desired frequency response when driven from the appropriate source resistance. A few people may have been underwhelmed listening to highly recommended studio monitoring headphones on a modern mobile device, where very low output impedance can over-damp the drivers and deliver a sound that might be described as lacking in energy or a bit dull. Whereas driven from a more suitable device they would come alive.</p><p>Conversely, most modern headphone designs would have been developed to work with these low impedance devices, and if plugged into an old school mixing console could end up with a lumpy frequency response and poor imaging from undamped resonances and phase anomalies (assuming the &#039;phones are good enough to let you hear those differences).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Platypus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2020 04:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972385#p972385</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>It seems not just the latency is more or less cloned. Another relevant spec for headphone players can be the output impedance. I forgot, what I measured in the past, so I repeated it today.</p><p>I found <strong>~10 Ohm</strong> for both, UMC202HD and 2i2gen2.</p><p>Not bad, I had expected around 47 Ohm that I found in a Behringer mixer in the past. </p><p>PS:<br />@400 Hz, 1 V, Load resistance 92.9 Ohm</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972313#p972313</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks groovy! </p><p>Thought I was looking at gen 2 there - explains my confusion. Thanks so much for this interesting food for thought <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Qexl)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Behringer UMC202HD]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=972311#p972311</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Your pic is a 2i2 gen3. My gen2 and gen1 are having a DIRECT MONITOR switch just labeled with OFF/ON. The Behringer not even has an OFF/ON indication.</p><p>It is good Focusrite changed the symbols, so its special function gets clearer (channel 1 and 2 are mixed and distributed to L and R of the Headphone out AND the Line out).</p><p>DIRECT MONITOR in my tested Behringer and Focusrite is just another wording for routing the analog input analogically to the headphone out and the line out at the same time.</p><p>The Behringer does not mix those channels on this path, while the Focusrite additionally mixes and splits both input channels so that L and R have the same signal (&quot;stereo&quot;).</p><p>I have to say I&#039;m using those Audiointerfaces just as DigitalAnalogConverter and Headphone-amp for outputting Pianoteq :-)</p><p>Cheers Qexl!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2020 07:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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