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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Confused about going from version 5 to 7]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Qexl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Only things I can think to add, the 2 Steinway D pianos are definitely modelled from different real pianos, one in Hamburg made there, the very new one the &quot;New York Steinway D Spirio|r&quot; at Steinway Hall NY, not just surface presets from the same underlying model. I love that we get this unique opportunity to have both these famous trans Atlantic grands in one pack - generous. </p><p>Also, @billbk and anyone upgrading can keep version 5 or other earlier versions installed too if wanted, no need to uninstall it, if wishing to also still keep playing the older D4 for old time&#039;s sake <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>Good points, Qexl!</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Confused about going from version 5 to 7]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the explanation.&nbsp; Sounds like a no brainer and a steal.<br /> </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sjgcit wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The upgrade from Stage 5 to Stage 7 will &quot;just&quot; be a change from the application itself.&nbsp; You keep the models you already have but they will be updated to the use the new &quot;engine under the hood&quot;.</p><p>The K2 and YC5 will simply be updated to use the new engine (and some default presets may change to the new ones).</p><p>The D4 will (as I understand it) change to the the new Steinway D package which includes both the New York and Hamburg models (not just one, both).&nbsp; The &quot;old&quot; D4 is gone and essentially the New York and Hamburg Steinway D&#039;s are &quot;just&quot; presets of one underlying piano model (not a surprise there).</p><p>If you use the free KiViR or Bells instruments you will need to update both of those (it&#039;s just a quick download and a drag and drop).&nbsp; The existing versions (in your case for v5) will not work with v7.</p><p>You do not, AFAIK, get to choose new instrument packs, but if I understand you correctly your main worry is loosing the Steinway D and you will not lose it, you will gain some extra presets split into New York and Hamburg variants.</p><p>I would be surprised if you did not notice an improvement in quality from v5 to v7, but it&#039;s hard to be sure how any individual will react to the updated sound models.</p><p>The refinements are many and the most significant change from 6.7 to 7.0 has been the new &quot;double polarization&quot; model for strings, which as I understand it models the string vibrations better.&nbsp; If I recall correctly, the change in quality from v5 to v6 was, on it&#039;s own, generally considered noticeable (and better).&nbsp; Version 7 is another step up from that.&nbsp; As the Steinway D&#039;s became officially authorized by Steinway in version 6 (IIRC) you can rest assured that Steinway at least think they now faithfully represents their top concert grands (and I dare say also have significant input to any changes made).&nbsp; You may find the sounds in the version 7 different from what you are used to in 5, but it will, I feel, very quickly become a welcome change.</p><p>Exactly what refinements are made from version to version is never fully known.</p><p>I think all you have to do when/if you upgrade is open the licensing dialog and activate it - your code should still work.&nbsp; Your models and the default presets will be updated automatically.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[billbk]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-12-11T14:14:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Confused about going from version 5 to 7]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Only things I can think to add, the 2 Steinway D pianos are definitely modelled from different real pianos, one in Hamburg made there, the very new one the &quot;New York Steinway D Spirio|r&quot; at Steinway Hall NY, not just surface presets from the same underlying model. I love that we get this unique opportunity to have both these famous trans Atlantic grands in one pack - generous. </p><p>Also, @billbk and anyone upgrading can keep version 5 or other earlier versions installed too if wanted, no need to uninstall it, if wishing to also still keep playing the older D4 for old time&#039;s sake <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Qexl]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-12-11T06:23:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Confused about going from version 5 to 7]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The upgrade from Stage 5 to Stage 7 will &quot;just&quot; be a change from the application itself.&nbsp; You keep the models you already have but they will be updated to the use the new &quot;engine under the hood&quot;.</p><p>The K2 and YC5 will simply be updated to use the new engine (and some default presets may change to the new ones).</p><p>The D4 will (as I understand it) change to the the new Steinway D package which includes both the New York and Hamburg models (not just one, both).&nbsp; The &quot;old&quot; D4 is gone and essentially the New York and Hamburg Steinway D&#039;s are &quot;just&quot; presets of one underlying piano model (not a surprise there).</p><p>If you use the free KiViR or Bells instruments you will need to update both of those (it&#039;s just a quick download and a drag and drop).&nbsp; The existing versions (in your case for v5) will not work with v7.</p><p>You do not, AFAIK, get to choose new instrument packs, but if I understand you correctly your main worry is loosing the Steinway D and you will not lose it, you will gain some extra presets split into New York and Hamburg variants.</p><p>I would be surprised if you did not notice an improvement in quality from v5 to v7, but it&#039;s hard to be sure how any individual will react to the updated sound models.</p><p>The refinements are many and the most significant change from 6.7 to 7.0 has been the new &quot;double polarization&quot; model for strings, which as I understand it models the string vibrations better.&nbsp; If I recall correctly, the change in quality from v5 to v6 was, on it&#039;s own, generally considered noticeable (and better).&nbsp; Version 7 is another step up from that.&nbsp; As the Steinway D&#039;s became officially authorized by Steinway in version 6 (IIRC) you can rest assured that Steinway at least think they now faithfully represents their top concert grands (and I dare say also have significant input to any changes made).&nbsp; You may find the sounds in the version 7 different from what you are used to in 5, but it will, I feel, very quickly become a welcome change.</p><p>Exactly what refinements are made from version to version is never fully known.</p><p>I think all you have to do when/if you upgrade is open the licensing dialog and activate it - your code should still work.&nbsp; Your models and the default presets will be updated automatically.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-12-11T05:57:55Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>billbk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Really?&nbsp; That sounds great......but where are you seeing that info?&nbsp; &nbsp; And what do you mean by &quot;gain a second Steinway D (New York)&quot;?&nbsp; &nbsp;So I will end up with my 3 current pianos PLUS 2 new Steinways? <br /> That&#039;s sweet if true.&nbsp; I just don&#039;t see that written anywhere (I may be blind).</p></blockquote></div><p>Similar question was raised here: <a href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=7954">https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=7954</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-12-11T05:43:16Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Confused about going from version 5 to 7]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Really?&nbsp; That sounds great......but where are you seeing that info?&nbsp; &nbsp; And what do you mean by &quot;gain a second Steinway D (New York)&quot;?&nbsp; &nbsp;So I will end up with my 2 current pianos PLUS 2 new Steinways? <br /> That&#039;s sweet if true.&nbsp; I just don&#039;t see that written anywhere (I may be blind).<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Fleer wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>billbk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi all.&nbsp; I have &quot;Stage&quot; version 5.8.1 <br />My current chosen pianos are the D4 grand piano, K2 grand piano, and&nbsp; YC5 rock piano.<br />Maybe I&#039;m just not seeing it, but what do I get by upgrading to version 7?</p><p>The site seems to be written as if I&#039;m a new customer.<br />The site says the Stage now includes 2 piano choices - but I already have 3 (and it looks like the D4 isn&#039;t even listed anymore).<br />If I upgrade do I get to re-choose 2 new pianos (like one of the Steinways).<br />If I get to re-choose, do my &quot;old&quot; pianos disappear?.....or just one of them?<br />Or by upgrading am I only getting some new refinements to what I already have?..........and what are those refinements?<br />If I just get the refinements, what do I have to do to switch / or add new pianos to include the Steinway?</p><p>The site is VERY unclear, and I can&#039;t get any response from Modartt.</p><p>thanks</p></blockquote></div><p>You don’t get to re-choose, you’ll still have your K2 and YC5 but your D4 will become the Steinway D (Hamburg) and, above all, gain a second Steinway D (New York).<br />And of course you’ll get those amazing refinements. Going from Pianoteq 5 to Pianoteq 7 is a huge leap. You may also consider upgrading to Standard from Stage, gaining yet another instrument pack as well as the new morphing and layering capabilities.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-12-11T05:36:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Confused about going from version 5 to 7]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>billbk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi all.&nbsp; I have &quot;Stage&quot; version 5.8.1 <br />My current chosen pianos are the D4 grand piano, K2 grand piano, and&nbsp; YC5 rock piano.<br />Maybe I&#039;m just not seeing it, but what do I get by upgrading to version 7?</p><p>The site seems to be written as if I&#039;m a new customer.<br />The site says the Stage now includes 2 piano choices - but I already have 3 (and it looks like the D4 isn&#039;t even listed anymore).<br />If I upgrade do I get to re-choose 2 new pianos (like one of the Steinways).<br />If I get to re-choose, do my &quot;old&quot; pianos disappear?.....or just one of them?<br />Or by upgrading am I only getting some new refinements to what I already have?..........and what are those refinements?<br />If I just get the refinements, what do I have to do to switch / or add new pianos to include the Steinway?</p><p>The site is VERY unclear, and I can&#039;t get any response from Modartt.</p><p>thanks</p></blockquote></div><p>You don’t get to re-choose, you’ll still have your K2 and YC5 but your D4 will become the Steinway D (Hamburg) and, above all, gain a second Steinway D (New York).<br />And of course you’ll get those amazing refinements. Going from Pianoteq 5 to Pianoteq 7 is a huge leap. You may also consider upgrading to Standard from Stage, gaining yet another instrument pack as well as the new morphing and layering capabilities.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-12-11T05:29:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Confused about going from version 5 to 7]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi all.&nbsp; I have &quot;Stage&quot; version 5.8.1 <br />My current chosen pianos are the D4 grand piano, K2 grand piano, and&nbsp; YC5 rock piano.<br />Maybe I&#039;m just not seeing it, but what do I get by upgrading to version 7?</p><p>The site seems to be written as if I&#039;m a new customer.<br />The site says the Stage now includes 2 piano choices - but I already have 3 (and it looks like the D4 isn&#039;t even listed anymore).<br />If I upgrade do I get to re-choose 2 new pianos (like one of the Steinways).<br />If I get to re-choose, do my &quot;old&quot; pianos disappear?.....or just one of them?<br />Or by upgrading am I only getting some new refinements to what I already have?..........and what are those refinements?<br />If I just get the refinements, what do I have to do to switch / or add new pianos to include the Steinway?</p><p>The site is VERY unclear, and I can&#039;t get any response from Modartt.</p><p>thanks</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-12-11T05:13:39Z</updated>
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