jrsv wrote:Philippe Guillaume wrote:For producing what you describe, you do not need to check "ignore the sustain pedal".
(Note: your 1. should be more precisely: 1. Press down Keys, then press sostenuto,)well, that was my initial problem, If i do not tick this, then when I realease the sustain, the sostenuto pedal seems to catch other notes. That is why I asked in the forum. This is precisely what triggered my question as I do not seem to get the "real" expected behavior. Maybe its a bug, (BTW, Pianoteq 6) (NOTE, yes you are right, press down keys, then press down sostenuto peda -I thought we had that one cleared up alreadyl).
Ah, Pianoteq 6, yes, there was indeed a bug in the sostenuto that was fixed in version 6.7.2 (2020/05/25), see https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq#pane_changes. You should at least lupdate your version 6 to the latest version 6.7.3.
AMAZING!!!! hahaha I thought I was loosing my mind, thanks for this info
]]>Philippe Guillaume wrote:jrsv wrote:No, I dont think that is right, but of course you are making me doubt it all...
1. Press down Keys, with sostenuto,
2. maintain that sostenuto and keep playing,
3. new notes, are played and normal sustain is applied,
4. remove the sustain and the sostenuto keys are still undamped.For producing what you describe, you do not need to check "ignore the sustain pedal".
(Note: your 1. should be more precisely: 1. Press down Keys, then press sostenuto,)well, that was my initial problem, If i do not tick this, then when I realease the sustain, the sostenuto pedal seems to catch other notes. That is why I asked in the forum. This is precisely what triggered my question as I do not seem to get the "real" expected behavior. Maybe its a bug, (BTW, Pianoteq 6) (NOTE, yes you are right, press down keys, then press down sostenuto peda -I thought we had that one cleared up alreadyl).
Ah, Pianoteq 6, yes, there was indeed a bug in the sostenuto that was fixed in version 6.7.2 (2020/05/25), see https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq#pane_changes. You should at least update your version 6 to the latest version 6.7.3.
]]>jrsv wrote:Philippe Guillaume wrote:Ah, sorry, I misread your post, silly me, I thought you had it unchecked, it is clear now.
So you are aware you are using the sostenuto in a way which is impossible in the real world? (but quite convenient I find).No, I dont think that is right, but of course you are making me doubt it all...
1. Press down Keys, with sostenuto,
2. maintain that sostenuto and keep playing,
3. new notes, are played and normal sustain is applied,
4. remove the sustain and the sostenuto keys are still undamped.For producing what you describe, you do not need to check "ignore the sustain pedal".
(Note: your 1. should be more precisely: 1. Press down Keys, then press sostenuto,)
well, that was my initial problem, If i do not tick this, then when I realease the sustain, the sostenuto pedal seems to catch other notes. That is why I asked in the forum. This is precisely what triggered my question as I do not seem to get the "real" expected behavior. Maybe its a bug, (BTW, Pianoteq 6) (NOTE, yes you are right, press down keys, then press down sostenuto peda -I thought we had that one cleared up alreadyl).
]]>Philippe Guillaume wrote:jrsv wrote:No, my problem was the other way around, I had Sostenuto with some notes held, but further on if I applied the normal sustain, new notes would lock with the sostenuto.
Ah, sorry, I misread your post, silly me, I thought you had it unchecked, it is clear now.
So you are aware you are using the sostenuto in a way which is impossible in the real world? (but quite convenient I find).No, I dont think that is right, but of course you are making me doubt it all...
1. Press down Keys, with sostenuto,
2. maintain that sostenuto and keep playing,
3. new notes, are played and normal sustain is applied,
4. remove the sustain and the sostenuto keys are still undamped.
For producing what you describe, you do not need to check "ignore the sustain pedal".
(Note: your 1. should be more precisely: 1. Press down Keys, then press sostenuto,)
edit 1: I assume that before your 1, the sustain pedal was not pressed down.
edit 2: on the contrary, if the sustain pedal was pressed down before 1, then you need to check "ignore the sustain pedal" to produce what you describe.
Tricky, isn't it?
jrsv wrote:Philippe Guillaume wrote:I am surprised that this was the reason of the extra sympathetic resonances. The effect of checking "ignore the sustain pedal" is to allow to load in the sostenuto pedal only those keys being pressed down even if the sustain pedal has been pressed down (which is impossible on a real piano, where pressing down sostenuto after sustain loads all notes in the sostenuto).
No, my problem was the other way around, I had Sostenuto with some notes held, but further on if I applied the normal sustain, new notes would lock with the sostenuto.
Ah, sorry, I misread your post, silly me, I thought you had it unchecked, it is clear now.
So you are aware you are using the sostenuto in a way which is impossible in the real world? (but quite convenient I find).
No, I dont think that is right, but of course you are making me doubt it all...
1. Press down Keys, with sostenuto,
2. maintain that sostenuto and keep playing,
3. new notes, are played and normal sustain is applied,
4. remove the sustain and the sostenuto keys are still undamped.
Philippe Guillaume wrote:jrsv wrote:I found out what was going on with my first attempt and I just needed to be sure to tick on the "ignore the sustain pedal" in the sostenuto pedal preferences.
now its working like expected
I am surprised that this was the reason of the extra sympathetic resonances. The effect of checking "ignore the sustain pedal" is to allow to load in the sostenuto pedal only those keys being pressed down even if the sustain pedal has been pressed down (which is impossible on a real piano, where pressing down sostenuto after sustain loads all notes in the sostenuto).
No, my problem was the other way around, I had Sostenuto with some notes held, but further on if I applied the normal sustain, new notes would lock with the sostenuto.
Ah, sorry, I misread your post, silly me, I thought you had it unchecked, it is clear now.
So you are aware you are using the sostenuto in a way which is impossible in the real world? (but quite convenient I find).
jrsv wrote:Qexl wrote:Also, BTW clicking the pedal on the interface can "lock it" down for the duration of a performance, without needing to keep a foot on a pedal.
I have a piece where I use the pedal as described - it definitely works as intended.
I found out what was going on with my first attempt and I just needed to be sure to tick on the "ignore the sustain pedal" in the sostenuto pedal preferences.
now its working like expected
I am surprised that this was the reason of the extra sympathetic resonances. The effect of checking "ignore the sustain pedal" is to allow to load in the sostenuto pedal only those keys being pressed down even if the sustain pedal has been pressed down (which is impossible on a real piano, where pressing down sostenuto after sustain loads all notes in the sostenuto).
No, my problem was the other way around, I had Sostenuto with some notes held, but further on if I applied the normal sustain, new notes would lock with the sostenuto.
]]>Qexl wrote:Also, BTW clicking the pedal on the interface can "lock it" down for the duration of a performance, without needing to keep a foot on a pedal.
I have a piece where I use the pedal as described - it definitely works as intended.
I found out what was going on with my first attempt and I just needed to be sure to tick on the "ignore the sustain pedal" in the sostenuto pedal preferences.
now its working like expected
I am surprised that this was the reason of the extra sympathetic resonances. The effect of checking "ignore the sustain pedal" is to allow to load in the sostenuto pedal only those keys being pressed down even if the sustain pedal has been pressed down (which is impossible on a real piano, where pressing down sostenuto after sustain loads all notes in the sostenuto).
]]>Also, BTW clicking the pedal on the interface can "lock it" down for the duration of a performance, without needing to keep a foot on a pedal.
I have a piece where I use the pedal as described - it definitely works as intended.
I found out what was going on with my first attempt and I just needed to be sure to tick on the "ignore the sustain pedal" in the sostenuto pedal preferences.
now its working like expected
]]>I have a piece where I use the pedal as described - it definitely works as intended.
]]>jrsv wrote:this is how I initially aproached it, but doesnt the sostenuto pedal "catch" the other notes?
No, it catches only those notes that were depressed (silently or not) before pressing down the sostenuto pedal, that's exactly the purpose of that pedal.
(If it catched all other notes, it would then simply be the normal sustain pedal )
great, I will check the "attempt" that made me second guess this. If this is the case, then it works exactly like the real thing.
cheers
this is how I initially aproached it, but doesnt the sostenuto pedal "catch" the other notes?
No, it catches only those notes that were depressed (silently or not) before pressing down the sostenuto pedal, that's exactly the purpose of that pedal.
(If it catched all other notes, it would then simply be the normal sustain pedal )
]]>jrsv wrote:Hello Forum,
I am wondering if there is a way to make pianoteq respond to resonances with the sostenuto pedal the way it is used in contemporary music like in Helmut Lachenmann pieces. What Lachenmann does is he "activates" the sostenuto pedal with no sound, this means that the keys are lowered with out producing sound before "locking" them with the sostenuto pedal. Afterwards, whatever is played wil resonate the chord with out activating their own sostenuto.
Is this posible in Pianoteq? Any ideas on how one would do this?any help will be deeply appreciated
Unless I'm missing something, the answer is very simple: while using Pianoteq, silently press down (i.e. with very low velocity) the keys you want to let resonate, then press down the sostenuto pedal and you are done.
Of course you need to have a pedal device triggering the Pianoteq sostenuto pedal, which is done by default if you have a triple pedal. If not, you can achieve it by assigning Pianoteq's sostenuto to your pedal: right click on Pianoteq's sostenuto pedal, click on the dropdown menu where it is written "Controller 66", select "Assign MIDI Event", and press down your pedal. Then, when pressing down you pedal device, you should see Pianoteq's sostenuto pedal (third pedal from the left) moving down.
this is how I initially aproached it, but doesnt the sostenuto pedal "catch" the other notes? Each of them adding to the sostenuto resonance?? My initial results where that the resonance would just add up as other notes are being played? This is what also happens (I think) with electronic pianos that have sostenuto. A bit of a head scratcher for me, I will continue triying. Thanks for the suggestion.
]]>Hello Forum,
I am wondering if there is a way to make pianoteq respond to resonances with the sostenuto pedal the way it is used in contemporary music like in Helmut Lachenmann pieces. What Lachenmann does is he "activates" the sostenuto pedal with no sound, this means that the keys are lowered with out producing sound before "locking" them with the sostenuto pedal. Afterwards, whatever is played wil resonate the chord with out activating their own sostenuto.
Is this posible in Pianoteq? Any ideas on how one would do this?any help will be deeply appreciated
Unless I'm missing something, the answer is very simple: while using Pianoteq, silently press down (i.e. with very low velocity) the keys you want to let resonate, then press down the sostenuto pedal and you are done.
Of course you need to have a pedal device triggering the Pianoteq sostenuto pedal, which is done by default if you have a triple pedal. If not, you can achieve it by assigning Pianoteq's sostenuto to your pedal: right click on Pianoteq's sostenuto pedal, click on the dropdown menu where it is written "Controller 66", select "Assign MIDI Event", and press down your pedal. Then, when pressing down you pedal device, you should see Pianoteq's sostenuto pedal (third pedal from the left) moving down.
]]>Ok, look at 3:51 in the video.
He strike a C note, keep sustein pressed, and manually damped the C note he striked, keeping just the sympathetic ressonance sounding around.
In pianoteq we could, in theroy if create such tool/pedal, even avoid the initical C strike (before C be damped) and create just the resulting sympathetic ressonance effects/sounds. It would be a very nice chorus (if wished in full intensity) of sympathetic ressonance. Like the video shows, it can be similar to a chorus, very "celestial" feeling.
We could even all it Sympathetic Chorus Effect.
In 3:51, the sympathetic resonance is the rest of all the strings, what I need is to have a sympathetic resonance of a selected group of notes that I have previously "activated" but not struck with the sostenuto pedal. I will have to do some tests, but it seems it might be a tricky one afterall.
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