Normally, choosing the first instrument, some things are auto-frozen (Keyboard, FX, Limiter, Pedals, Output settings).

Those are things we'd likely wish to remain solid after Morphing.

If I want also tuning to remain also unchanged, choosing the colored 'freeze' button opens the pane, and I select 'Tuning settings', which opens more options, then choose 'Diapason' and 'Temperament/Microtuning'.

Perhaps, those need to be frozen from within the Morphing pane

Next, adding any 2nd instrument will auto-morph all other items, producing a new sound.

Then, after this is all done to our tastes, if we hit "Flatten" button, you should see those frozen items remain the same as on instrument #1. (optionally save as a new preset if you like etc.)

Cheers for insightful observations.

That may be a fine extension of the functionality Ed, thanks.

I haven't tested that yet - nor encountered it because I mostly use rather different presets to morph with.

To me it's the fun of it, "what will happen if these 2 very different instruments are summed?", rather than everything the same, frozen at the same settings.. in my mind, I've thought.. that would leave me morphing like 2 or 3 differences.. probably easier to edit by hand so to speak).

But.. just because I haven't seen a use case here for being able to keep freeze settings across morphs (or layers - haven't tested..) doesn't mean it can't be effective and very useful.

Yes i agree with you it is great fun to mix the timbres of the different instruments,  it's more the tuning that is the issue; i have a default non standard frozen tuning, so when i select an instrument to morph with, it mixes 2 different tunings, because most presets have the same standard tuning, rather than loading my frozen tuning settings as it does when i load a preset normally.

Not a major issue, just a bit fiddly every time i morph.

I haven't tested that yet - nor encountered it because I mostly use rather different presets to morph with.

To me it's the fun of it, "what will happen if these 2 very different instruments are summed?", rather than everything the same, frozen at the same settings.. in my mind, I've thought.. that would leave me morphing like 2 or 3 differences.. probably easier to edit by hand so to speak).

But.. just because I haven't seen a use case here for being able to keep freeze settings across morphs (or layers - haven't tested..) doesn't mean it can't be effective and very useful.

As the new updates have made such nice defaults even nicer, I find myself doing less invasive tweaks - but indeed very handy to have a click or two to do things which used to take many.

Cheers all

Hats off to Modartt for this simple fix, and for your pointing it out.

:-)

We can save what we 'freeze', to "Favorites" on the right side of the "Freeze" pane.

Set any one of them as default - you never have to load it manually, if that's your goal.

5 slots are savable - easy to click to re-load any one which we save to re-use at any time.

Saves much time indeed.

IIRC the point Philippe made above was about returning some previous functionality which was altered (just to a different way of working, with copy/paste)..

and I believe both new features and the old functionality were addressed way back.

Perhaps nobody remembered to return to this particular thread to say so.

We have currently 5 slots - I think most would find, they have several strategies with freezing, and will maybe not want more than this. That's a thing I'd maybe like to see more slots for.. but really that's not greatly important.

To me, seems a reasonably complete feature now - but who knows if it may get more updating.

The Pianoteq direction has taken into account, those who liked the past ways of working on things, and the new tools they introduced are just as valuable to some of us. Either way, they indeed looked after everyone, as they seem to do so well

So I still have to set the freeze parameters each time I start the software. This is certainly a small fix, and it is now almost half a year later. I do not want to be to critical because I love Pianoteq and use it since many many years, but it is small things that you have to repeat every time you use a software that are really unnerving/ énervant/ nervig.

I just upgraded.

man what a disappointment

Happy to beta test so this doesn't happen again!

The freeze was so useful

Don't worry, it will come back, it just requires a bit of time working 'under the engine'.

man what a disappointment

Happy to beta test so this doesn't happen again!

The freeze was so useful - I was concerned you were paywalling the feature for editions above stage,- glad to see it was just an oversight.

we will restore it since that is by far the most requested feature since v7 is out !

So sad to see that this wasn't fixed in 7.0.4 :-(

I figured out that  if I used the right click option on the preset arrows (to jump to the next instrument), it ignored my freeze selections. A normal click to the next preset didn't seem to have this issue.

For sure, everyone has their own approach, nothing wrong with that. I am a strong advocate of personalizing the different models to one's taste, playing style, sound system, etc. However, I think a case can be made for initially trying the factory presets exactly how they were made, without changing anything. The only exception I usually make is to turn down the reverb (almost systematically too much for my taste). Inevitably, I will change something down the line (sometimes quite a lot).  but I like this initial contact with a preset as close as possible to the way it was intended to sound. It helps me sort out, what "I really like about it" from "this is not quite right". By doing so, maybe I learn something more about the program and how to use it.. So I am happy either way the Freeze goes.

AKM wrote:

Here is how I use it, I set to "freeze":

1. Diapason
2. Temperament
3. Velocity On curve
4. Action Noises (off)
5. Reverb (off, I use the external VST one)
6. Limiter
7. All Output settings (mics, etc. custom setup)

Then it allows me to surf through different pianos (8 grands packs plus Kivir, stock presets) preserving their individual settings like voicing and design, but keeping them like in the same acoustic space.

Agree. How I like to approach it, I separate the instruments and the environment. I tend to keep the instruments as close as possible to "how they were made" (except the tuning sometimes) but keep "the room" ro my taste, one for all of them. Also it make a kind of a "fair" comparison between them.

-added-
I switch the keys noises off because I already have plenty of them from my controller keyboard.