Hello Uli,

I would like to offer a slightly different solution to the problem... My solution is along the lines of a variation on the classic dilemma. "Is the glass half-full or half-empty?", a rhetorical question that seemingly has only a binary response.  Hint: My reply is completely different than expected:  Please consider a third alternative: "The glass is twice as large as it needs to be."

Hi Joe,

I love out-of-the-box-approaches! Unless I am mistaken, I can't customize the parameters you mentioned with PTQ Stage, but I will defnitely keep your ideas in mind for when I upgrade to standard.

Thanks for taking the time to explain your ideas to me.
Yours
Uli

I would like to offer a slightly different solution to the problem you are facing as regards to the piano sounding too strident for your ears, when you play at higher note-on velocities.

My solution is along the lines of a variation on the classic dilemma. "Is the glass half-full or half-empty?", a rhetorical question that seemingly has only a binary response.  Hint: My reply is completely different than expected:  Please consider a third alternative: "The glass is twice as large as it needs to be."

With this example as background, allow me to address your question regarding brightness of many Pianoteq models when played with higher note-on velocity: Instead of modifying the velocity map on either Pianoteq or on your keyboard, may I suggest a completely off-the-wall, different solution?  Please consider reducing the "ff" hammer hardness slider approximately 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way down to the value set by the "mf" hammer hardness slider. 

Although you did not specifically mention using the una corda/soft pedal, I might also suggest that you increase Pianoteq's soft pedal slider's value by 150-200 percent of its current value.

These are only suggestions that happen to work for Yours Truly.  Your playing style and fingering technique are probably different than mine.

Cheers,

Joe

I have a VPC1, too, and after much experimentation found a velocity curve that works best for me. I have a heavy touch when playing and encountered some of the same issues as you have.

To find my touch curve I set my VPC1 curve at Normal and then looked at all the touch curves posted under Velocity curves under the Community tab on the Pianoteq website. I tried nearly all the ones listed even curves for other makes of digital pianos. The one that worked best for me is the Casio PX-750. I modified it slightly by reducing all the plots on the graph by 1 or 2 points. I did that my right-clicking the dot so I would not move its placement on the graph,

Finding the best touch curve makes all the difference and I wish you luck finding yours!

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,
Robert

my name is Uli and I am new here. I bought Pianoteq Stage this summer and I love it. I also got a Kawai VPC1 and Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro Headphones recently and the playing experience is incredible,

However, I do have a question: I feel that my Steinway Model D (and all the other models, too, for that matter) starts to sound too dominant, too clear or “ringy”  (for want of a better word) especially in the higher octaves, as soon as a play above a velocity of about 100.I think it’s the kind of sound a grand piano produces if you play it really loudly (strong forte or even fortissimo). But for my playing style this starts at too low a velocity. When I feel like I am playing mezzoforte the sound already starts to get “ringy” (or whatever you would call it - I hope I can make myself understood).

Just to make this really clear - I don’t have a problem with the piano starting to sound clear and “ringy” when it’s played loudly; in fact one of the things I love about Pianoteq is how well it simulates the different sound characteristics of a piano depending on the players touch. It’s just that my fingers seem to think that I should still be in a more mellow, mezzoforte sound range, when Pianoteq already starts producing high energy sounds.

At the moment I use the Pianoteq velocity setting on the VPC1 and the Standard (“straight”) velocity curve in Pianoteq. I have found that I can solve my problem by flattening the velocity curve in Pianoteq just a bit. All I need to do is lower it about 10% at a velocity of around 100, and my Steinway D behaves just like I would expect.

However I am wondering: Should I adapt the velocity curve to my playing style or should I learn to adapt my playing style to the standard velocity curve?

I am asking this because I fear that my touch is too heavy. I have had classical piano lessons for 9 years during my childhood and youth. But then I started playing in bands and have done so for about 30 years. I got so used to hammering on my keys with all my strength in order to get heard (or at least hear myself), that I have ruined my piano touch. Playing Pianoteq with the VPC1 is so much fun precisely because it allows me to play with a dynamic range and finesse that I haven’t experienced for a very long time. My digital pianos and synth workstations just weren’t able to give me that kind of control over my playing.

I am wondering how accurately the combination of Pianoteq's standard velocity curve and VPC1’s Pianoteq simulates a real grand piano action. I don’t get to play grand pianos very often, but when I do, my touch is indeed too heavy and I get this “ringy” dominant sound way too easily.

So I would really appreciate your advice and draw on your experience. What should I do? Adapt the velocity curve to my playing or learn to adapt my playing to the given settings? How do you do it?

Additional question: If I adapt the velocity curve, should I do so in Pianoteq or should I create a custom velocity curve on my VPC1. I remember having read somewhere that it’s better to change the curve on the VPC1 because then I would still have the full dynamic range of 127 velocity steps in Pianoteq as opposed to somehow squeezing the dynamic range by manipulating the curve in Pianoteq. Is that true?

Thanks for reading this somewhat lengthy post. Looking forward to learning from you.