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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969547#p969547</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Power Management settings could be an issue...<br />By default (&quot;Balanced&quot; power plan) CPU rating is dynamically because of power saving.<br />But for using VSTs you want to have 100% CPU rating.</p><p>There should be a &quot;High Performance&quot; power plan, this should work best for VSTs.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969546#p969546</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>You could maybe disable this process by looking in the &quot;services&quot; menu...</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Luc Henrion)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969537#p969537</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The &quot;support assistant&quot; seems to take over at random times.<br />I find this particularly inexcusable on a laptop that is aimed primarily at the &quot;Gaming&quot; segment.<br />Sometimes the mouse becomes disabled for a second or so.</p><p>Not that I bought it for gaming, the graphics processor was attractive for my 3D modelling.</p><p>When I remember to suppress (KILL) the support assistant the problems seem to go away. <br />I just have to kill it after every re-boot if I want to run pianoteq.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (aandrmusic)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969344#p969344</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I am only too well aware of (lack of) backward compatability &lt;grin&gt;</p><p>Having used the Van Basco player for several years it was my &quot;go to&quot; midi player - and of course I was running loopbe to connect it to pianoteq.</p><p>Anyway, I am still having failures with VanBasco and LoopBe NOT running.</p><p>Yes, Alienware background processes pop out of the background from time to time and I suspect that the support assistant MIGHT be the guilty party here.<br />Since I am disconnected from the web MOST of the time I am going through anything that looks like a watchdog process.</p><p>I did a drivers update this morning, no failures so far but I won&#039;t believe it until I have a week or so without buzz.</p><p>BTW, performance index with&nbsp; &nbsp;PTQ right now shows a spread of 128 to 155, while browsing the web.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (aandrmusic)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969312#p969312</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aandrmusic wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In looking at windows processes ordered by CPU use I saw some odd Win32 background processes that seemed to be taking mpre time than I wanted.</p><p>Well, the midi juke box player that I was using (VanBascos Karaoke player) is a 32 bit program.<br />I have now gone to using ONLY the Pianoteq play list - and I await further failures - maybe that was it, maybe not.</p></blockquote></div><p>In the modern Windows operating system, 32-bit applications live side-by-side with 64-bit applications. The operating system allocates up to 4 GB maximum memory space for them as needed. Having one or two 32-bit applications shouldn&#039;t cause problems because the 64-bit operating system knows enough to allocate the most memory to the 64-bit applications. The problem, however, is having too many applications running, will eat up resources, and having a hog application eating up the resources is a bigger problem.</p><p>The thing to watch for is CPU hogging. The Dell support software and the Alienware stuff really pegs my CPU badly even without Pianoteq running. After I noticed the system freeze, I checked the running tasks using Task Manager (Press CTRL_SHIFT_ESC), and the Alienware apps were running full bore. When I killed the tasks, the system became responsive. Dell&#039;s Support software too does this as well, and when the similar thing happened again, I ended up ending that task and this made quite a difference in performance.</p><p>Another thing too, remember this is a laptop and not a desktop. Laptop processors are different than their cousins the desktop version, and laptop hardware is also subject to a lot of power management well beyond the desktop equivalent. The laptop will idle down and turn off subsystems when things are quiet. If Pianoteq runs a lot in memory and taps at the CPU when needed rather than busying the CPU all the time, then those parts could be slowing down.</p><p>I agree there&#039;s an outside chance that there is an actual hardware problem, but I doubt it. I&#039;ve run diagnostics, both built-in and separate and found nothing wrong.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969308#p969308</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>In looking at windows processes ordered by CPU use I saw some odd Win32 background processes that seemed to be taking mpre time than I wanted.</p><p>Well, the midi juke box player that I was using (VanBascos Karaoke player) is a 32 bit program.<br />I have now gone to using ONLY the Pianoteq play list - and I await further failures - maybe that was it, maybe not.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (aandrmusic)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969307#p969307</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Because this happens so infrequently, I wonder if this might not be related to a hardware issue. I don&#039;t think it is performance related. I would run extensive memory checks <br />first to see if you find any problems. Memory does fail and can cause weird problems when it happens.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (levinite)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969303#p969303</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>You might also look at the graphics setup. Such laptops are built for video speed, not for audio: a few years ago I had a Sony laptop that was &quot;eating&quot; all the RAM for the video, even while it had a dedicated video RAM. Just unusable for any DAW, and it still is.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Luc Henrion)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2020 06:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969302#p969302</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aandrmusic wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Here is what pianoteq sees as my system;</p><p>Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10750H CPU @ 2.6GHz, M5/S2/F6, x12</p><p>CPU Frequency 2592MHz</p><p>At the same time task manager says;</p><p>Base speed 2.59 MHz <br />Speed 4.15GHz</p><p>So. PTQ seems to read base speed not overclock speed.</p></blockquote></div><p>Same here in my laptop with the i7 7700hq, PT only sees up to 2801MHz, and Windows 3.6GHz.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (marcos daniel)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2020 02:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969300#p969300</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I also have an Alienware laptop. It&#039;s the older ca. 2016 M15 R2 and it also exhibits similar poor performance. I checked around to see what could be causing the awful performance and found that it&#039;s most likely the extra overhead caused by some of the drivers and software as well as the built-in SoundBlaster chipset. It doesn&#039;t help either that that SoundBlaster drivers are flaky and I constantly have to reset settings for it if I use it for something else then go back to Pianoteq. Killing the Dell system support software and the Alienware-specific software such as the FusionFX helps, but it&#039;s not perfect.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2020 00:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969294#p969294</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Base speed should be more than enough. I would look elsewhere.<br />You might use this freeware to locate your issues<br /><a href="https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon">https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Luc Henrion)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2020 13:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969292#p969292</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Here is what pianoteq sees as my system;</p><p>Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10750H CPU @ 2.6GHz, M5/S2/F6, x12</p><p>CPU Frequency 2592MHz</p><p>At the same time task manager says;</p><p>Base speed 2.59 MHz <br />Speed 4.15GHz</p><p>So. PTQ seems to read base speed not overclock speed.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (aandrmusic)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2020 12:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969289#p969289</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, ASIO.</p><p>I am on a more &quot;PORTABLE&quot; laptop right now and don&#039;t remember the CPU number, other than that it is i7 with 12 threads, a base clock rate of 2.6 GHz and the standard overclock that typically hovers around 4GHz, 4.5 or so on some&nbsp; programs.</p><p>So, it is no slouch.&nbsp; <br />{Come to think of it - the CPU number starts with10 <br />Alienware M17 R3 is the model, Dell is the manufacturer}</p><p>Anyway, in playing moderately dense midi files it goes into about a 2 second BUZZ once or twice per hour.</p><p>Off topic; if anyone has this model and has done a 16 to 32 Gig RAM upgrade please tell me how.<br />Removing the bottom panel seems to indicate that the RAM sockets are on the TOP of the motherboard, i.e. between the motherboard and the keyboard.</p><p>I am wondering if there is an easier way to access them than by taking the motherboard out and flipping it, e.g. can the keyboard be removed ?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (aandrmusic)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2020 19:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969256#p969256</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Are you using ASIO drivers? (asio4all or a dedicated sound card) <br />Another good option is &quot;Window Audio (Exclusive mode)&quot;.<br />With that processor even in power saving settins you should have no problems. <br />I run Pianoteq on a two laptos, one with i7 7700hq (this work well even in power saving mode), other with an i7 4710mq (normal mode, no max performance needed) and on a Odroid XU4q board (ARM) which has a tiny fraction of the power of your setup without any overload.</p><p>Edit: If you want to use GNU/Linux, choose an optimized distro like Ubuntu Studio.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (marcos daniel)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Performance on recent laptops.]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=969178#p969178</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have had PTQ for quiet some time&nbsp; now.<br />I haven&#039;t found it necessary to use latest, greatest, fastest processors, although my last 2 I7 machines have been good performers in general computing, e.g. large compiles, 3d modelling, etc.</p><p>THIS machine is an Alien M17, 12 thread I7, 2080 graphics proessor, 16 gig of memory, base clock 2.6 gig, overcloking to almost 4.5 Gig (throttled by temperature).</p><p>So, I am a little surprised that it stumbles when playing midi files that aren&#039;t very &quot;dense&quot;, i.e. polyphony rarely goes above 50.</p><p>I got a sceen shot last night and that raises a few questions.<br />1) Pianoteq sees my clock at the base rate of 2.6 Gig while task manager clearly shows it to be much higher - why is this ?<br />2) Bahh, I can&#039;t figure out how to insert a snapshot into this message.<br />3) Task manager is showing a couple of hundred processes.<br />I assume many of these are for the benefit of Windows itself, but whenever I have looked at them none are taking a significant amount of processor time or memory.<br />Are there any compute intensive background processes that I should look for and kill?</p> <br /><br /><p>I&#039;ll post again as soon as I can figure out how to post the screen snapshot, BTW it does show that I have multi core rendering checked.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (aandrmusic)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2020 15:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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