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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pedal Harpsichord.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite records many years ago was E.Power Biggs on the pedal harpsichord - it must still be somewhere I guess...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Platypus]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-05-24T08:02:15Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You can start up two instances of Pianoteq at once, and assign each to a different MIDI channel (options-&gt;MIDI and look at the bottom left for the notes channel).&nbsp; You can do this either with standalone Pianoteq, or within a DAW if you prefer (your Pianoteq download should have come with a VST version included).</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-23T13:49:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dazric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I wonder if it would be possible to set up multiple instances of Pianoteq and multiple keyboards with Cantabile? <a href="https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/">https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/</a></p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m not sure if Pianoteq works like a VST in DAWs (such as Cantabile or Kontakt) - I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever tried, but I imagine it does. That may be a possible workaround. </p><p>Still, an easier one would be for Pianoteq to transfer their MIDI options from Organteq to Pianoteq. It&#039;s better than the end-user jumping through a bunch of hoops. I really love the Pianoteq Ruckers sound - it&#039;s a real shame it doesn&#039;t work on a dual-manual MIDI setup.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-23T11:16:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it would be possible to set up multiple instances of Pianoteq and multiple keyboards with Cantabile? <a href="https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/">https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dazric]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-05-22T12:10:31Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Now that Modartt created a advanced high quality modelled organ, and many digital organ players may also get interested in pianoteq, I believe it can be time to adjust the harpsichord collection from pianoteq...</p><p>People with organ foot controller could love it, I presume.</p></blockquote></div><p>I would love this as well, being a digital organ owner - but there is one huge problem if you are a Pianoteq (and not Organteq) user: as far as I know, there is no real way to specify multiple keyboards with the Harpsichord sets on Pianoteq. The options are simply too limited.</p><p>It is one of the biggest drawbacks for Pianoteq&#039;s harpsichords for me. With that said, I own the Ruckers Harpsichord set on Pianoteq and simply adore its sound. I have a Roland C-330 organ which is part of their &quot;classical&quot; series they made with their digital harpsichord. I primarily use it for harpsichord and purchased it for the 2 keyboard manuals and pedalboard, as well as the lovely tracker action touch - I did not purchase the Roland C-30 since it is a single manual harpsichord and therefore limited. </p><p>Normally I use Kontakt and some of the Edition Beurmann sample libraries, where it as simple as assigning each stop to a specific channel which can be treated as stops on my Roland Organ. For example, the 8&#039; lower stop is assigned to my lower manual and activated by the stop toggle, the 8&#039; upper is on my upper manual, the 4&#039; is on my lower, and the pedals simple have the lower 8&#039; stop an octave lower (pedal harpsichords usually worked by having cables or strings that would activate the keyboard - some supposedly had dedicated 16&#039; strings). </p><p>With Pianoteq, however, it appears that no matter what stops you have activated on the Ruckers harpsichord, they all play with the understanding that there is only 1 keyboard. Maybe I&#039;ve missed something in the settings, but Pianoteq does not have the same settings for multiple keyboard as Organteq does. </p><p>I love the Pianoteq Ruckers harpsichord - it works great on a single manual keyboard, though setting buttons to toggle the stops on and off from the organ could be easier to program, in my opinion. I had to make 2 separate midi events in Pianoteq - one to increase the toggle value, and the other to decrease the value. </p><p>I would try Organteq, but I have no idea if the Ruckers even works on it AND it costs 200 dollars.... That&#039;s a lot of money for 1 instrument when I have already purchased Pianoteq. </p><p>P.S. If you DO have a digital organ with a pedalboard and you want to turn the Ruckers into a pedal harpsichord, simply tell Pianoteq to receive MIDI inputs from OMNI (rather than a specific channel) and on your organ set the pedalboard to whatever octave range you require (usually 1 octave lower, depending on how your organ is setup).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mattardo]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-05-22T11:53:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thank you TMYoung.</p><p>I saw how they use a extra pian, like this video explain (look the connectin to the keys) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pxM3Z4agPY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pxM3Z4agPY</a><br />And this one shows assembling : <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPeh2zwCIhs">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPeh2zwCIhs</a></p><p>But looks like some pianos used for the pedals was made for it, since have no trebble range :</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://theninthmuse.org/lexicon/images/Doppio-Borgato-WA.png" alt="PunBB bbcode test" title="PunBB bbcode test"/></span></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-08T04:22:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>And here are some sources on harpsichords with pedalboards</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhEPMDQZ174">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhEPMDQZ174</a><br /><a href="http://www.hubharp.com/musings_pedalharp.htm">http://www.hubharp.com/musings_pedalharp.htm</a><br /><a href="https://www.baroquemusic.org/pedalharpsichord.html">https://www.baroquemusic.org/pedalharpsichord.html</a></p><p>There isn&#039;t as much on these, but I&#039;ve done far more research into the piano-pedalier than the &quot;harpsichord-pedalier.&quot; <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-07T14:36:40Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The first link is of particular interest because you can see them assembling the Pinchi system and you can see the inner-mechanism.</p><p>There are also fine pictures of the action in the Alkan Erard Pedalier here: <a href="https://collectionsdumusee.philharmoniedeparis.fr/doc/MUSEE/0160061/piano-pedalier">https://collectionsdumusee.philharmonie...o-pedalier</a><br />and here: <a href="https://collectionsdumusee.philharmoniedeparis.fr/0160061-piano-pedalier-erard.aspx">https://collectionsdumusee.philharmonie...erard.aspx</a></p><p>More general information and pictures here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_piano">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_piano</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tmyoung]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-05-07T14:33:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Schumann owned a piano pedalier and composed for it.&nbsp; Alkan also wrote a lot for the instrument, and Saint-Saens&#039; Piano Concerto #2 was originally for pedal piano and the version played today is a transcription for traditional piano.&nbsp; The instrument and compositions for it were common in the nineteenth century.</p><p>There are two types of pedal pianos, ones that share strings between the pedals and the &quot;manual&quot; and ones that have different strings for each.&nbsp; The former are fairly common and are either uprights with an extra set of hammers down at the pedals or grands with an action that resembles and organ&#039;s tracker action to translate the pedal motion into a keystrike from the main action.&nbsp; The other kind require two grand pianos, the Doppio Borgato is the only production version of that style, and there&#039;s one custom-made for Roberto Prosseda by Pinchi that can be jury-rigged to any two grands if the legs are removed from one of the instruments.&nbsp; Erard continued to make uprights pedaliers for a number of years into the twentieth century, but the instrument hasn&#039;t really had any attention since then, but a renaissance of sorts has started in the past fifteen years.</p><p>The piano-pedalier was considered a concert instrument during the middle of the nineteenth-century, but it feel out of favor by the turn of the century.&nbsp; It remained more of a presence in France because the French Organ schools would keep ordering them to allow students to practice their organ skills without needing a full instrument, but as electrical technical took over organs, the need subsided.</p><p>Both Roberto Presseda and Oliver Latry have produced recordings of original compositions for the instrument on modern and period instruments.&nbsp; Latry&#039;s performances are on Alkan&#039;s personal Erard piano-pedalier which is on display in.&nbsp; Alkan toured with the instrument in his later years.</p><p>The largest difference between a piano pedalboard and and an organ pedalboard is that you have to &quot;kick&quot; the notes instead of simply resting your foot on them because your controlling an action with velocity instead of an organ whose action is more binary.&nbsp; A harpsichord with a pedalboard will operate more like an organ than a piano since it&#039;s plucking the string rather than striking one.</p><p><a href="https://www.march.es/en/videos/?p0=5780">https://www.march.es/en/videos/?p0=5780</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gySbWYGgA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gySbWYGgA</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDl-v_sD2uM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDl-v_sD2uM</a><br /><a href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Doppio_Borgato_0029.jpg/1200px-Doppio_Borgato_0029.jpg">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/...o_0029.jpg</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-07T14:28:08Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Years ago I played music in the home of somebody who owned a pedal piano. I think it was basically just an ordinary upright, but the mechanism had been adapted somehow to allow extra bass notes to be played via the pedals. I have a vague notion that Schumann may have owned a pedal piano (I think he wrote some studies for it).</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-07T10:49:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Now that Modartt created a advanced high quality modelled organ, and many digital organ players may also get interested in pianoteq, I believe it can be time to adjust the harpsichord collection from pianoteq.</p><p>Well, first take a look in this video :</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cobaQ4PFsZg">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cobaQ4PFsZg</a></p><p>Amazing like a organ for Toccata in&nbsp; D minor... indeed pedal harpsichord was created to help train organist, since organs was large, need ar flow, and more expensive, not viable for home at the time.<br />I don&#039;t know details, but looking th size of the lower harpsichord, for the pedals, it have just 2 octaves and half.Do it pluck 2 strings per note to give mre bass power?</p><p>Well, I imagine if it&#039;s possble just ot make some alteration on pianoteq harpsichrds to simulate the pedal harpsichord. Maybe it&#039;s a matter of replicate hte pianoteq harpsichord, making alterations for bass and strings per note, but using the same algorithms for tone and resonance box etc..., creating a altered replica of the original harpsichor just to performe with pedals, like a second instrument performing together with the original.<br />People with organ foot controller could love it, I presume.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-07T01:48:47Z</updated>
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