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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Velocity Curves and Dynamics]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Stephen.</p><p>Alex is right handed.</p><p>Why do you ask?</p><p>(Alex crosses his hands in this piece - That&#039;s the way that the music is written.)</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Stephen_Doonan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Nice performance! <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i><br />Is Alex left-handed?</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2020 06:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Nice performance! <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i><br />Is Alex left-handed?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2020 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Velocity Curves and Dynamics]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, friends, for sharing your experience.</p><p>I am starting to get there... kind of... Alex now has a greater dynamic range, but I suspect that it can be improved upon.</p><p>For those of you suggesting Velocity = starting with [ values under 25, why, because this appears to be outside of the range sent by the MP11SE?</p><p>Apologies if I am missing something... All very new.</p><p>First recording since making the changes - Obviously some way to go:&nbsp; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNJiweHqSiY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNJiweHqSiY</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2020 19:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks dazric <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> I have a soft spot for Roland gear.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2020 15:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@Qexl: more info on FP30. It&#039;s not Roland&#039;s highest-quality keyboard, but I consider it a very good piano for its price range. I got it because I also have an acoustic upright and limited space, and I needed something easily moveable. On the whole, I&#039;m quite happy with it. The only downside is that the all-plastic mechanism can feel a bit fatiguing after a while, so if it was my only piano I would be looking for an upgrade.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2020 09:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Stephen_Doonan for your input.&nbsp; Your comments have helped to solidify my own thoughts on this issue.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Stephen_Doonan wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Velocity = [10, 20, 40, 63, 73, 98, 114, 127; 0, 19, 34, 54, 64, 95, 110, 117]</code></pre></div></blockquote></div><p>Interesting, this has a nearly idential shape to the one I posted.&nbsp; </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Stephen_Doonan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In addition, I sometimes change the MP11&#039;s keyboard touch-response (the &quot;Touch&quot; setting in the &quot;KeySetup&quot; section of the Edit menu for the Piano section) from &quot;Normal&quot; to &quot;Heavy.&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>I do this often as well.&nbsp; The &quot;heavy&quot; setting seems to tame the key responses.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Stephen_Doonan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I also make fine-tune adjustments the MP11SE&#039;s own per-note volume and voicing editor (which is in the keyboard, available in the System menu) and save the adjustments to a user-setting in the keyboard in order to use it as a default keybord-response setting, because the Kawai triple sensors can seem slightly erratic in their response from key to key. I&#039;m very happy with the MP11SE action, however.</p></blockquote></div><p>This is really helpful.&nbsp; What you describe is exactly what I have experienced ... there is some erratic behavior in some keys.&nbsp; I need to go back to my manual and see if I can tweak some of the keys to align with my expectations.&nbsp; </p><br /><p>More than half the issue is that I am a beginner, I do not play as often as I would like.&nbsp; My playing is uneven at best.&nbsp; If I am being honest, I am the weakest link in the chain.&nbsp; But I agree the MP11 is a fine instrument and I have enjoyed it.&nbsp; Again, thank you.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2020 15:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>alex-plays.org wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Out of interest who here is using custom velocity curves?<br />I am using a Kawai MP11SE right now with default configuration.</p></blockquote></div><p>I use a Kawai MP11SE also. With Pianoteq, I&#039;m currently often happy with either of the following two settings (you can copy and paste the entire text of a velocity setting including &quot;Velocity = &quot; and the numbers between the square brackets, from or to the Pianoteq Velocity panel to quickly set the control points and values)--</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Velocity = [10, 20, 40, 63, 73, 98, 114, 127; 0, 19, 34, 54, 64, 95, 110, 117]
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Velocity = [10, 20, 40, 63, 73, 98, 114, 127; 0, 22, 38, 59, 69, 99, 113, 117]</code></pre></div><p>--but sometimes I prefer the &quot;Moderately fast keyboard&quot; Pianoteq preset (in the Velocity panel drop-down menu). For soft pianissimos you might try the &quot;Fast keyboard&quot; Pianoteq velocity preset, although to get any sound at all when pressing a key on the Kawai very lightly, you might need to raise the lower end (left side) of the velocity curve.</p><p>In addition, I sometimes change the MP11&#039;s keyboard touch-response (the &quot;Touch&quot; setting in the &quot;KeySetup&quot; section of the Edit menu for the Piano section) from &quot;Normal&quot; to &quot;Heavy.&quot;</p><p>I also make fine-tune adjustments the MP11SE&#039;s own per-note volume and voicing editor (which is in the keyboard, available in the System menu) and save the adjustments to a user-setting in the keyboard in order to use it as a default keybord-response setting, because the Kawai triple sensors can seem slightly erratic in their response from key to key. I&#039;m very happy with the MP11SE action, however.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2020 12:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thnx scorpio, I saw that curve uploaded to the curves forum by Nor. Have liked it - it&#039;s softer than my current one - but I go through phases, liking different &#039;feel&#039; every so often, softer or harder (and particular pieces and pianos are good to try different curves with - it is like a different piano under your hands).</p><p>I made one a while back based on that one you show us, but just with +4 velo on each point (I ended up preferring it and still use it)..</p><p>Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 123, 127; 4, 10, 14, 17, 21, 25, 29, 34, 40, 45, 51, 58, 66, 73, 79, 86, 94, 100, 106, 111, 114, 116, 117, 118]</p><p>Interesting re the range thing but it still gets me from 0 to 127 with the curve work (it&#039;s to me arbitrary numbers with slippage, the curve corrects). I don&#039;t feel robbed of detail or range in playing but maybe a top tier pianist might. </p><p>I&#039;ve still yet to find a dpiano action I like better or feel as inspired playing, which is kind of my main desire. I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve tried the FP30 though - so will make a point of it next time I get to a store.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 17:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s really odd that Kawai keyboards have such a narrow range. On my Roland FP30 I can achieve the minimum velocity of 01! This was quite a surprise to me, but I was doing some test recordings to analyse velocities and there it was, velocity 01.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 15:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have always had issues working out a decent velocity curve for my MP11, especially with Pianoteq.&nbsp; The velocity response of the keyboard is narrow ... something like 25-112 as mentioned.&nbsp; So with such a narrow working range getting the correct dynamics has always been an issue. </p><p>I have been using this velocity curve some time:</p><p>Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 123, 127; 0, 6, 10, 13, 17, 21, 25, 30, 36, 41, 47, 54, 62, 69, 75, 82, 90, 96, 102, 107, 110, 112, 113, 114]</p><p>It came from a program used with the VPC1 (but was listed for MP11).&nbsp; &nbsp;The curve is flattened and lowered ... and quite honestly has been the best I have used.&nbsp; </p><p>More recently I have been experimenting with the Dynamics slider in an attempt to expand the range. </p><p>As mentioned I have had more issues with the velocity curve in Pianoteq than other pianos.&nbsp; For instance with Garritan CFX, using the default curve, I have a more natural response and improved dynamics.&nbsp; For some reason, I can&#039;t get that same natural feel when working with Pianoteq.&nbsp; I understand there are so many different variables that go into this.&nbsp; </p><p>I love the MP11, but I will really have to think long and hard about purchasing another Kawai based on the velocity response.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 14:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Good advice dazric - velocity slider can really widen and narrow range too in good ways.</p><p>Lately the velocity curve I&#039;m using for my MP11 is:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Velocity = [0, 29, 57, 96, 118; 4, 32, 64, 98, 127]</code></pre></div><p>You can select that line, copy and right-click paste it into the velocity box to see if it gets close to the goals.</p><p>On my keyboard, that curve addresses the issue with reaching fff but raises a little for ppp, has some lift to mp and more room from mf to ff.</p><p>Seems maybe to address some elements described - they&#039;re similar key actions. Hoping it gives a different starting point for editing further to taste.</p><p>Also worth auditioning the ones posted on the <a href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=3611">Pianoteq velocity curves</a> part of the forum.</p><p>I&#039;ve found them useful in gaining more understanding of the keys on the Kawai and have slightly adapted the ones found there for my MP11 to reach my current preferred one. </p><p>Cheers.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 13:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re welcome! It took me ages to understand the velocity curve, too. From your description, it sounds as if you may need to adjust something on the piano itself (if possible) to get a wider velocity range. The velocity curve just filters the input values from the keyboard - but I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve found some sort of solution for now.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 13:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Dazric - Really appreciate you taking the time to provide feedback here.</p><p>This has been an ear opener for me.</p><p>Today, for the first time, I became aware that on the default curve, however lightly my son pressed the keys, aiming for ppp, the graph showed 25 or more (Not sure what the unit here is.)</p><p>It was impossible for him to play PPP.</p><p>Similarly, however hard / fast he was pressing the keys, he was not quite able to reach FFF, and the graph showed perhaps 112.</p><p>Not sure why this is (or whether or not there are settings on the Kawai that have a bearing upon these values).</p><p>I have flattened the curve completely at both ends - This is now way better.</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>dazric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes, you can create or modify a velocity curve to boost your dynamics, if you wish, or do the opposite. For a good starting point, study the effects of the velocity curve presets in Pianoteq (&#039;Slow keyboard&#039;, and so on). Alternatively, adjust the Dynamics slider in Pianoteq to expand or reduce the dynamic range.<br />I think if you&#039;re basically happy with the shaping of your dynamics but want a bit more contrast between pp and ff, the Dynamics slider is probably the control you&#039;re looking for. Or you could use a combination of both Dynamics and velocity curve.</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 11:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you can create or modify a velocity curve to boost your dynamics, if you wish, or do the opposite. For a good starting point, study the effects of the velocity curve presets in Pianoteq (&#039;Slow keyboard&#039;, and so on). Alternatively, adjust the Dynamics slider in Pianoteq to expand or reduce the dynamic range.<br />I think if you&#039;re basically happy with the shaping of your dynamics but want a bit more contrast between pp and ff, the Dynamics slider is probably the control you&#039;re looking for. Or you could use a combination of both Dynamics and velocity curve.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 10:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Out of interest who here is using custom velocity curves?</p><p>Will custom velocity curves give greater dynamics?</p><p>I am using a Kawai MP11SE right now with default configuration.</p><p>Any advice / feedback would be welcome.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2020 10:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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