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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just get these, it&#039;ll do every type of music besides Pianoteq and sound like you have a 9ft concert grand in the house!<br />or Opera!<br />or Live anything at home.</p><p>It&#039;s way clearer live too.</p><br /><p><a href="https://youtu.be/oDtUmCYh3N0">https://youtu.be/oDtUmCYh3N0</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mk4UmHa]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-05-16T14:42:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>After doing much research an experimenting I have found the most perfect (if that is even possible) setup for Pianoteq (and indeed other sample based piano libraries).</p><p>As written in my first post on another thread...</p><p>IK Multimedia iLoud MTM monitors, are exceptional at being able to reproduce the all important mid range required for satisfying Pianoteq playback. I have these connected to a sub-woofer and have set a crossover of 50hz on the monitors.</p><p>Not only is the mid range beautifully produced, the high frequency is very, very good, and the imaging is great!</p><p>I have them on heavy duty microphone stands, positioned at the correct height for when I&#039;m sitting at the piano (important).</p><p>I have Pianoteq loaded into MainStage. Why? I use MainStage because I insert PSP EQ27 (amazing &#039;analog quality eq&#039; and just a very small amount (1:5 ratio approx) of PSP FETpressor (see screengrab for settings).</p><p>The combination of all this results in my &#039;perfect&#039; Pianoteq setup.</p><p>I am so impressed with the iLoud MTM monitors, that I have bought 2x pairs and I&#039;m about to purchase a 3rd pair!</p><p>If you have a flat piano top with enough depth, the iLoud MTM comes supplied with and adjustable monitor mount. I have also not used the any room calibration microphone / setting up that comes with the included microphone etc.</p><p>I have a good sounding studio / space.</p><p>(Note - I was going to upload screenshots with the eq and comp settings but I&#039;m not sure how to do this. I tried drag and drop from desktop, but I don&#039;t think this is the correct way to do it?)</p><p>Best,<br />Scott</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-11T09:08:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! You really should get that Bose Speaker, you only need one of them. I bet you could find a dealer and take your notebook there and hook it into the speaker and try out, Guitar Center has them... I&#039;m not sure Bose still have their own stores.</p><p>You won&#039;t look back and what&#039;s nice is playing music on that speaker, any genre, especially classical/opera.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>PaptainClanet wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wow! That&#039;s a nice setup!</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-08T02:08:49Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>YEA! I was never Bose fan until I heard this speaker at a wedding. I picked these up back in 2010 or so and it&#039;s been in the house since.</p><p>I accidentally discovered Pianoteq and when I hit the C note on my keyboard and heard it come out of that speaker! I laughed so hard and had the biggest grin. It was amazing....</p><p>I was telling my wife that I&#039;m actually using the speaker the way it was meant to be used to amplify real instruments, I just happen to have a virtual modeled one in my notebook.</p><p>I emailed Moddart about a month later telling them I wanted the Studio Upgrade!</p><p>I would not be back playing piano at all if I didn&#039;t have this setup. I brought my Kurzweil out which had been sitting under my bed since 1997. I started getting back into piano around September 2018, PianoTeq is just that good.</p><p>A virtual anechoic chamber with full compliment of modeled microphones, complete mixer/EQ. Complete Piano setup to individual tuning on a notes, then ability to place the entire setup in a virtual room.</p><p>It&#039;s amazing paired to the Bose L1 which was designed to amplify real instruments without distortions filters (unless you want it to)</p><p>Bose has a cheaper one for the house the S1 or compact? I think it will suffice for the home which you could try out!</p><p>I can play on the real pianos the Steinway D, B, CFX, the Bluthner, the Petrof and come home and my ear&#039;s can&#039;t tell the difference anymore. Especially when they released 6.5.0, that attack change made the piano have more room presence,</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>Amen Ptah Ra wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And, people allege you can’t really get realistic piano sounds out of Pianoteq and a pair of loudspeakers, incredible! </p><p>People, near-field monitors —as the name implies— have been primarily intended as a means anybody, but, especially, a mix engineer uses to closely monitor a stereo or occasional mono mix.</p><p>Believable grand piano tones simulation and consequently reproduction lately from software is an afterthought at best!</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-08T02:02:56Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ummm, you may not like Ravel, but the piece is a hell of a showcase for a piano, imho. Maybe you mean it doesn&#039;t sollicitate the bass register enough?<br />Which piece would you pick? <br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>PaptainClanet wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you could still click on the link and play. I made it public anyway...</p></blockquote></div><p>I did click the link, but it didnt work. Thank you for putting this together, the text info is appreciated. They do sound nice, but as expected, it is a bit hard to really get a sense of the sound through the camcorder, particularly with that song. Its a shame they are not more popular, there are no comparison videos online against any other monitors!</p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p>Nothing against Ravel, for sure. Its just a very high end (meaning notes) oriented, and busy, piece. That&#039;s all! It must be your preset, but the sound feels very far away with not much oomph or attack. Are you using far mics?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-05T17:27:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Powered near-field monitors for pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, you may not like Ravel, but the piece is a hell of a showcase for a piano, imho. Maybe you mean it doesn&#039;t sollicitate the bass register enough?<br />Which piece would you pick? <br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>PaptainClanet wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you could still click on the link and play. I made it public anyway...<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>PaptainClanet wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thanks! But it says the video is private? Can you change it to unlisted, perhaps?</p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p>I did click the link, but it didnt work. Thank you for putting this together, the text info is appreciated. They do sound nice, but as expected, it is a bit hard to really get a sense of the sound through the camcorder, particularly with that song. Its a shame they are not more popular, there are no comparison videos online against any other monitors!</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-05T14:56:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Powered near-field monitors for pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you could still click on the link and play. I made it public anyway...<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>PaptainClanet wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Here it is</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks! But it says the video is private? Can you change it to unlisted, perhaps?</p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p>I did click the link, but it didnt work. Thank you for putting this together, the text info is appreciated. They do sound nice, but as expected, it is a bit hard to really get a sense of the sound through the camcorder, particularly with that song. Its a shame they are not more popular, there are no comparison videos online against any other monitors!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-05T12:49:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>you could still click on the link and play. I made it public anyway...<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>PaptainClanet wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Here it is</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks! But it says the video is private? Can you change it to unlisted, perhaps?</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-05T01:28:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Here it is</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks! But it says the video is private? Can you change it to unlisted, perhaps?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-05T01:25:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here it is. I picked a Ravel midi file that I liked, but somehow the controller used or the pianist&#039;s dynamics didn&#039;t work for the velocity curves I use, so I had to come up with a rather strange curve. Don&#039;t expect audiophile quality as the sound was recorded with the built-in microphones from the camcorder.There is a certain ringing in high frequencies (particularly evident in the slow part) that is not coming from the speakers in live listening. I would love to get my hands on good microphones and get a more faithful recording. Still, I think that the extended frequency range and solid transients are plain to hear.<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/E2q-5POrTk4">https://youtu.be/E2q-5POrTk4</a><br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I did a test using my Panasonic camcorder and its built-in microphones. It sounds pretty decent...I wish I had high quality mics, I think it would sound amazing. I&#039;ll try and post the example in the next few days.<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>PaptainClanet wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Interesting suggestion. I might give it a shot. However, anybody invested in buying those speakers should try them for themselves in a suitable environment.</p></blockquote></div><p>Any update? Would love to hear a sample.</p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-05T01:18:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I did a test using my Panasonic camcorder and its built-in microphones. It sounds pretty decent...I wish I had high quality mics, I think it would sound amazing. I&#039;ll try and post the example in the next few days.<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>PaptainClanet wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Interesting suggestion. I might give it a shot. However, anybody invested in buying those speakers should try them for themselves in a suitable environment.</p></blockquote></div><p>Any update? Would love to hear a sample.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-04T16:52:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Interesting suggestion. I might give it a shot. However, anybody invested in buying those speakers should try them for themselves in a suitable environment.</p></blockquote></div><p>Any update? Would love to hear a sample.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-05-03T19:12:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Interesting suggestion. I might give it a shot. However, anybody invested in buying those speakers should try them for themselves in a suitable environment.</p><p>aWc wrote:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Quite small, wall mountable, full frequency range down to 45 Hz (-3dB) made possible by side mounted passive radiators. Great imaging. Even at close range, the sound does not appear to come from the boxes themselves, but surrounds the player!<br />These have greatly improved my pianoteq experience. I have tried bigger, more expensive speakers, but i am now convinced that proximity and placement are paramount, and this cannot be achieved with typical big hifi enclosures.</p></blockquote></div><p>PaptainClanet wrote:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Is there any way you could record a video of Pianoteq playing through your RM5 speakers? I can&#039;t find ANY audio clips of these! I know a cell phone or DSLR video is no way to judge the quality of a speaker, but you can get a sense of the quality with it knowing how a real piano should fill a room. I&#039;d love to hear it, if you have the means to record a little video.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-04-30T19:40:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Mk4UmHa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You&#039;ll have presence in the room with this and 2 B1s with the ToneMatch. BUY BUY BUY!</p><p><a href="https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/speakers/portable_pa_speakers/l1-model-ii-system-with-b2-bass.html#v=l1_model2_doublebass_pkg_black">https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/spe..._pkg_black</a></p><p>Audio Sample.<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/lxlJjcKJO9c">https://youtu.be/lxlJjcKJO9c</a></p></blockquote></div><p>And, people allege you can’t really get realistic piano sounds out of Pianoteq and a pair of loudspeakers, incredible! </p><p>People, near-field monitors —as the name implies— have been primarily intended as a means anybody, but, especially, a mix engineer uses to closely monitor a stereo or occasional mono mix.</p><p>Believable grand piano tones simulation and consequently reproduction lately from software is an afterthought at best!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Amen Ptah Ra]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-04-30T19:35:14Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aWc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Still recommend these ART RM5:<br /><a href="https://artproaudio.com/product/rm5-monitors/">https://artproaudio.com/product/rm5-monitors/</a></p><p>Quite small, wall mountable, full frequency range down to 45 Hz (-3dB) made possible by side mounted passive radiators. Great imaging. Even at close range, the sound does not appear to come from the boxes themselves, but surrounds the player!<br />These have greatly improved my pianoteq experience. I have tried bigger, more expensive speakers, but i am now convinced that proximity and placement are paramount, and this cannot be achieved with typical big hifi enclosures.</p></blockquote></div><p>Is there any way you could record a video of Pianoteq playing through your RM5 speakers? I can&#039;t find ANY audio clips of these! I know a cell phone or DSLR video is no way to judge the quality of a speaker, but you can get a sense of the quality with it knowing how a real piano should fill a room. I&#039;d love to hear it, if you have the means to record a little video.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Mk4UmHa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You&#039;ll have presence in the room with this and 2 B1s with the ToneMatch. BUY BUY BUY!</p><p><a href="https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/speakers/portable_pa_speakers/l1-model-ii-system-with-b2-bass.html#v=l1_model2_doublebass_pkg_black">https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/spe..._pkg_black</a></p><p>Audio Sample.<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/lxlJjcKJO9c">https://youtu.be/lxlJjcKJO9c</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Wow! That&#039;s a nice setup!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2020-04-30T18:52:28Z</updated>
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