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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Say Joe if I&#039;m really honest, ever since I got my original copy of PIANOTEQ VERSION 2.1 in 2007 I&#039;ve been unable to distinguish its sound from others, especially piano parts in recordings.&nbsp; Sometimes this present version performance sounds sound more believable and authentic more-so than many other known actual recordings of wood bodied pianos.&nbsp; Perhaps they&#039;re more believable because PIANOTEQ can use high resolution MIDI.</p><p>Check some of this out: <a href="https://www.modartt.com/listen_ecompetition">that demonstrates MIDI files the extended MIDI XP format using Pianoteq 6.</a></p><p>One today technically hardly sees a dichotomy of fake and real.</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/K7TsOz7CWOc">https://youtu.be/K7TsOz7CWOc</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Amen Ptah Ra]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I take no offense and agree wholeheartedly!</p><p>People enthusiastic about PIANOTEQ may come off a tad overzealous.</p><p>I&#039;m willing to admit I&#039;ve long been encapsulated by it and always anxious to get an update.&nbsp; Right now I got absolutely no defense when I got the preamp plugins.</p><p>Just as your wife helps you to discern, I&#039;ve kept a browser tab to an opened page of my ex-girlfriend as she played on a real Yamaha piano and sang together with another songstress in a rather large and just vacant newly built auditorium.&nbsp; And, just as I type now the tab is still appearing on my browser toolbar.&nbsp; So, I am myself constantly making comparisons, even though my mommy always advised against them.&nbsp; (Smile.)</p><p>You know Joe, possibly I&#039;m wrong in my thinking.</p><p>I just feel something about these preamps says studio recordings to me and takes a digital piano sound from drab to professional sounding, enough for me perhaps too easily to envision anything other than a truly human performance&nbsp; —with all its sentiments, shortcomings, and frailties somehow better represented.&nbsp; I do feel and as disorderly as they are, they were communicated too effectively, er efficiently via the preamps, for me possibly ever to deny any of their validity!</p><p>Sure enough, my ex&#039;s playing on a real Yamaha sounds differently; something you may want to hear for yourself at this topic thread: <a href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=7146"> Stage to Standard upgrade questions</a>.</p><p>Man, since Guillaume is sensitive he really may dislike my &#039;drab&#039; remark and now reject any and all considerations for preamps.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Amen Ptah Ra]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Amen Ptah Ra wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This post of Pianoteq recordings has been presented for anyone interested to hear the effects often described as color microphone preamps can impart onto any otherwise unmodified Pianoteq preset recording.</p><p>[</p></blockquote></div><p>Hello Mr. Ra,</p><p>It is amazing how people&#039;s minds are able to be &quot;steered&quot;, if they know what to listen for and/or of they are informed of what they are listening to.&nbsp; As an experiment, I had my wife select from your your various pairs of your PTQ performances (with- and without the preamp).&nbsp; I did not change the volume of any settings during this little experiment, and I listened intently through AKG 702 headphones.</p><p>The result:&nbsp; When I did not know whether the &quot;preamped&quot; version was played first or second in each pair, I honestly heard some sonic differences in the midi performance, but in neither pair did one piano jump out at me and say that it was equivalent to a studio recording of an analog piano.&nbsp; Sorry, but I was really hoping I could discern a difference with &quot;better-than-chance&quot; results as to which condition was which.</p><p>* * * * * *<br />As an Aside:<br />I also believe it is possible to saturate our brains with a given sound, and &quot;believe&quot; it to sound just like the real thing.&nbsp; A different personal example:&nbsp; Starting way back in 1990, I had purchased an Emu ProFormance hardware sampled piano module, with a whopping 1MB (yes megabyte) of hardwired RAM.&nbsp; This means that the entirety of the piano had to be sampled with a total of &quot;six seconds&quot; of audio (since 10MB of audio is required for one minute of audio at 16-bit@44.1kcps, so it follows that one 1MB of RAM required one-tenth of one minute).&nbsp; By today&#039;s standards, the audio quality was a joke:&nbsp; not all notes were sampled individually, and there was probably at most one velocity layer modulated by volume and a high pass filter to make louder notes sound brighter.&nbsp; But back in 1990, I had actually convinced myself I could not tell the difference between this piece of junk&#039;s audio -- played through audio cassette, mind you(!) -- from the sound of a real acoustic piano!!!</p><p>It goes to show that, from time to time, we need to &quot;step away&quot;&nbsp; from what we are using, to allow our brains to re-calibrate what real acoustic instruments sound like and how they behave musically.</p><p>Please do not take this post as dismissing your fine efforts.&nbsp; Overall, you did a great job in presenting your case.</p><p>Cheers,<br />Joe</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This post of Pianoteq recordings has been presented for anyone interested to hear the effects often described as color microphone preamps can impart onto any otherwise unmodified Pianoteq preset recording.</p><ul><li><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/1973-pre/1973-pre-image.png" alt="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/1973-pre/1973-pre-image.png" title="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/1973-pre/1973-pre-image.png"/></span><a href="https://soundcloud.com/user-75091580/i-loves-you-porky-no-1973-preamp"><em><strong><span style="color: blue">Steinway B Improv without Arturia Pre 1973</span></strong></em></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://soundcloud.com/user-75091580/i-loves-you-porky-1973-preamp"><em><strong><span style="color: blue">Steinway B Improv with Arturia Pre 1973</span></strong></em></a></p></li><li><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/trida-pre/trida-pre-image.png" alt="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/trida-pre/trida-pre-image.png" title="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/trida-pre/trida-pre-image.png"/></span><a href="https://soundcloud.com/user-75091580/arabesque-no-trida-preamp"><em><strong><span style="color: blue">Ant. Petrof 275 without Arturia Pre TridA</span></strong></em></a> </p></li><li><p><a href="https://soundcloud.com/user-75091580/arabesque-trida-preamp"><em><strong><span style="color: blue">Ant. Petrof 275 with Arturia Pre TridA</span></strong></em></a> </p></li><li><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/v76-pre/v76-pre-image.png" alt="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/v76-pre/v76-pre-image.png" title="https://medias.arturia.net/images/products/v76-pre/v76-pre-image.png"/></span><a href="https://soundcloud.com/user-75091580/nice-work-if-you-can-get-it-no-v76-preamp"> <em><strong><span style="color: blue">U4 Midnight without Arturia Pre V76</span></strong></em></a> </p></li><li><p><a href="https://soundcloud.com/user-75091580/nice-work-if-you-can-get-it-v76-preamp"> <em><strong><span style="color: blue">U4 Midnight with Arturia Pre V76</span></strong></em></a></p></li></ul>]]></content>
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