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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>nofrets wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I DO think they should allow pro users to change the excitation method of the strings to emulate an ebow being applied to the strings like ADSR envelope.</p></blockquote></div><p>I mostly agree.&nbsp; But, not at all like an envelope.&nbsp; Like a mappable parameter.&nbsp; (It makes sense on the mod wheel for most users, though I&#039;d personally want it per string, via poly aftertouch.)</p><p>But, why stop there?&nbsp; Physical bows are <em>also</em> a thing.&nbsp; (The whole realm of prepared pianos lies before us, but instantly reconfigurable.)</p><p>Plus, even on the eBow front, there&#039;s more exotic flavors...<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/fc3DMIPMVj0">https://youtu.be/fc3DMIPMVj0</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2020 19:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think Pianoteq should model any existing synths, that&#039;s just stupid.</p><p>I DO think they should allow pro users to change the excitation method of the strings to emulate an ebow being applied to the strings like ADSR envelope.</p><p>just search for &quot;ebow piano&quot; it sounds awesome.</p><p>I&#039;ve had to individually sample pianoteq notes and play them backwards to emulate this for soundtracks that need something full and simple like a piano, but without the percussiveness (strings are too buzzy sometimes and synth pads are just sterile sounding).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2020 19:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=964852#p964852</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Man, I feel sometimes I’m on altogether a different planet!&nbsp; As far as my being on the same topic as the rest (of you),&nbsp; I’m imagining myself somewhere at the tropics, specifically, the Tropic of Cancer, where a body can gaze upon Earth’s monumental architecture while playing on an instrument.&nbsp; I still like acoustics.&nbsp; Just have to make do, I guess!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Amen Ptah Ra)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2020 21:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=964822#p964822</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not sure you&#039;re on the same topic as the rest of us.</p><p>If Modartt were to use their physical modeling technology to extend further beyond the capabilities of a traditional piano, they wouldn&#039;t be emulating *specific* synths, much less locking themselves into the MIDI constraints imposed by a particular model.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 00:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If <strong>MOD</strong>ARTT is ever going to synthesize or properly model a Kawai CR-40A or even someday its own version of a Shigeru Kawai SK-EX model, <strong>Kawai</strong> has to firstly get its stuff together.&nbsp; It grossly lacks any affordable keyboard that is High Resolution MIDI Velocity (CC#88) capable.&nbsp; (See forum topic {<a href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=5897"><span style="color: blue"><strong>High Resolution MIDI Velocity (CC#88)</strong></span></a>} and particularly my <a href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=959756#p959756"> post</a> in it.)&nbsp; It seems that none of the <strong>Kawai</strong> keyboards from its current lineup can exploit or take advantage of <strong>PIANO</strong>TEQ software fully.&nbsp; That which can translate as an optional dialect either Hi-res CC#88 or Disklavier XP (via the software <strong>Dialect</strong> choices in its <strong>Options</strong> pane).&nbsp; Although apparently <strong>Kawai</strong> sells its MIDI controller VPC1 with an included velocity curve intended specifically for <strong>PIANO</strong>TEQ users.&nbsp; </p><p>It is as though it maybe has already embraced an agreement with <strong>MOD</strong>ARTT in part at least while it might take a staunch stance still against any proliferation of Hi-res CC#88 or Disklavier XP that as a format potentially can flood markets now, and, as soon as the new format MIDI 2.0 becomes released officially!&nbsp; Its notable transition from ivory keys sold on acoustic pianos into modern plasticky digitals is like a mash of gerbil too unsavory for most customers to grasp fully or consume anything about it or its underpinnings.&nbsp; (See forum topic: <a href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=6886"><strong><span style="color: blue">Kawai VPC1 faulty key weighting</span></strong></a>.)</p><p>Have some of you witnessed anything from Kawai at NAMM that touches on Hi-res CC#88 or MIDI 2.0 general acceptance?</p><p>Personally, I&#039;m more than just marginally ecstatic about the re-release from <strong>Roland Corporation</strong> that has recently announced the Roland A-88MKII.&nbsp; Along with its MIDI 2.0 capability, this keyboard controller might allow me to play virtually at the Kawai CR-40A or Kawai SK-EX&nbsp; —just as if I were someone seated at one of the real pianos unlimited by the quantized restraints you experience with standard MIDI, and, if ever <strong>PIANO</strong>TEQ should model either!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Amen Ptah Ra)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2020 21:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Although I am sure PTQ would come up with a great Synth, I would prefer to stick with modelling of real instruments. How about a decent Classic Rock Organ, Hammond B3 or similar.That would be top of my wish list.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2019 11:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=963937#p963937</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Heya @greaterthenzero,</p><p>welcome to the Pianoteq Studio Bundle owner club <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p><p>It&#039;s the best investment I&#039;ve made in my musical kit without a shadow of doubt.</p><p>Cheers!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2019 02:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=963933#p963933</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Amen Ptah Ra wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><strong>Applied Acoustics Systems</strong> (<strong>AAS</strong>) might have just what you want!&nbsp; </p><p>Just three (3) of its instrument modeling synths alone allow a musician to build his own new and unique musical instrument, be it string based, percussion based, or a synthesis of analog gear and a combination of all three&nbsp; —in separate plugin instances, within your DAW of course:</p><ol class="decimal"><li><p>String Studio VS-3, with it I may create anything —whether or not either bowed or plucked— from a cello, guitar, a combination of the both and even my very own acoustic pianos modeled inside the software.</p></li><li><p>Chromaphone 2, I use it to build percussion instruments, like drums and polyphonic instruments such as vibes and steel drums.&nbsp; Definitely, with this software one might mangle those beyond any recognition, if you’re really into that sort of a thing!</p></li><li><p>Ultra Analog VA-3, this one I need to upgrade from its previous version.&nbsp; It allows musical expression from your own versions of analog synthesizer gear.&nbsp; Which any inside the software might build!</p></li></ol></blockquote></div><p>Just wanted to say, this thread (and a significant Black Friday discount) just sold me a bundle of all the AAS modeling instruments.</p><p>That&#039;s on top of PianoTeq Studio, and OrganTeq.&nbsp; So, while I&#039;d love to see some extended controls in here, my needs are probably met for a while!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Deyvidpetro wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I would love to know what you guys think.....</p></blockquote></div><p>Short answer : no.</p><p>Modelling acoustic instruments is what pianoteq does and especially piano-like instruments. Modeling electronics is an entirely different ball game and a very red ocean.</p><p>I would like pianoteq to work on MPE playability. Imagine a pianomodel that responds to everything expressive E Osmose can do!</p><p>I would also be interested in surround sound. Especially for the organ-teq.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=963758#p963758</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If it persists, this whole business (idea) about a synth, seems with its knobs a more logical choice possibly in Organtec, than appropriately inside Pianoteq&nbsp; —if somebody within MODARTT is going to do it anyway!</p><p>Perhaps the first even lacked a keyboard!<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Chopin87 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I am not a fan of synths myself but I think Modartt can explore the idea. There are certain iconic piano synths that could be modelled by Pianoteq (I am thinking of the MKS 20, JD800). Since we already have EPs there is no concrete reasons why the historical follow-ups should not have a place in the software as well. I would find the idea superb to complete the piano evolution along the centuries and square the circle. Food for thought. <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Amen Ptah Ra)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=963709#p963709</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Shigeru Kawai was one of the best pianos I&#039;ve had the pleasure to play and I bought my MP11 controller because it really gave me a sense of it (though different to a degree). That&#039;s partly a buying decision caused by Pianoteq reaching version 3 levels of usability coupled with the keys. So a Shigeru Kawai piano would be wonderful - but I&#039;m also with the idea of a lot of other good pianos too like the Bösendorfer <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> so would be happy for any good piano manufacturers to jump on in to the library for all of history to keep.</p><p>My first synth had a spongy no-action clicky keyboard, it was mono-phonic and all expression happened in real time by controlling knobs and sliders/switches. </p><p>That&#039;s the main issue I&#039;d have with Pianoteq getting into modeling already well covered tech (they are simpler wave forms in genesis - becoming more complex with processing and more exciting with real time conrtols or automation). At present, with a digital piano controller, a lot of users will not have a mod wheel, or limited controls anyway - but.. it&#039;s still interesting to consider.. even if just because it&#039;s a third gen leap from making real sounds into digital ones, to making digital sounds real ;0)</p><p>So for that alone I&#039;d be less crazy about a synth from the past getting modeled - but still would certainly be interested to see play it, if it happened - and would likely buy it - and likely it would blow me away too.. </p><p>but I like using Pianoteq to replace synths anyway (Piet&#039;s posted piece is such a good demo for that kind of thing) - so from my perspective, an offshoot product by Modartt which is a complete modern music creation kit based on parameters gleaned from the creation of Pianoteq could be more of &#039;a thing&#039; to my way of thinking. It could change names of parameters, make them even wider from reality, blend with conventional and unconventional analogs from the scene and that would seem like something I&#039;d love to buy. Others on the market in that area don&#039;t yet excite me (unless tied to a controller type I don&#039;t wish to have to buy and so on) - but something about the way Pianoteq knows conventional keyboards and pushes the air around does.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2019 08:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=963694#p963694</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>So, guys this thread now amounts to phrases, should of, could of, and would of!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Amen Ptah Ra)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2019 20:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Should Pianoteq model a Synth?</p><p>Yes, I&#039;d love if they model the famous <strong>KORG Z1</strong> or <strong>Trinity V3 MOSS Board</strong>....&nbsp; </p><p>Should Pianoteq model another Pianos?</p><p>Yes, <strong>Yamaha CFX</strong>, <strong>Kawai SK-EX</strong> and <strong>Doutreligne</strong> pianos.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=963679#p963679</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I personally would love to see Modartt model a Kawaii Shigeru, they are my favourite pianos by a far distance bit even with the transparent piano I just do not see Kawaii allowing it unfortunately.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Oh, a word about <strong>MOD</strong>ARTT possible projects from the viewpoint of a forum member only, it might do well, as I am of the opinion, if it —by a relatively small staff and little resources— just models instead of some synth, a Kawai CR-40A transparent grand piano.&nbsp; It can do it in a timely fashion, since it requires no <strong>Kawai</strong> trademark naming it officially and since everybody clearly can identify easily it, without the brand name, the transparent piano it is.&nbsp; </p><p>There are many advantages to the transparent piano project ostensible:</p><ol class="decimal"><li><p><strong>MOD</strong>ARTT maintains its own transparency just like it did before and since it got its <strong>Steinway and Sons</strong> authorizations.</p></li><li><p><strong>Kawai</strong> also keeps its own and distinct reputation it has enjoyed worldwide and as a world renowned manufacturer of fine instruments&nbsp; —in isolation, and on an island.</p></li><li><p>Generally, the struggling artists who are too poor to afford the expensive grand while they enjoy its sound, can have access to such a treasured tone and find it surprisingly affordable.</p></li><li><p>A major player and potential competitor has yet to sample successfully any transparent instrument making a VST.</p></li><li><p>The most inconspicuous of developers who model pianos is likely to have a proverbial foot in the door cordially opened to all of them only to enter eventually into an agreement on a much anticipated and highly sought after Shigeru Kawai SK-EX model.</p></li><li><p>Once competitors will have impressed each other, greatly.&nbsp; Diplomacy among the industry rivals will ensue.&nbsp; Befitting all, it’ll appear to paying customers!</p></li><li><p>A potentially useful outcome to piano players might result as <strong>Kawai</strong> can start to implement a MIDI resolution higher than that standard MIDI permits inside its controller and finally access to all of <strong>PIANO</strong>TEQ capabilities.</p></li></ol><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://www.kawai-global.com/mgr/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/CR-40Atop_sp.jpg" alt="https://www.kawai-global.com/mgr/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/CR-40Atop_sp.jpg" title="https://www.kawai-global.com/mgr/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/CR-40Atop_sp.jpg"/></span></p><br /><p><strong>Kawai</strong> has advertised its <a href="https://www.kawai-global.com/product/cr-40a/">CR-40A</a> as having: “Incomparable beauty with quality tone.”</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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