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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Better latencies with local control off?<br />This question came up recently in another thread <a href="https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=6921">Mystery solved!</a></p><p>Can an internal connected sound engine of a digital piano influence the latency of the external MIDI output??<br />I could not find specific examples on the internet.</p><p>I became curious if I can find such an effect with my old Kawai ES3. At the moment it seems I just found a strong placebo effect <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p><p>Setting the ES3 to local control off made me feel that for instance Pianoteq&#039;s Rhodes (connected via USB-MIDI) is more tight and feels better - hard to describe.</p><p>So I tried to verify the acoustic response times with and without local control off (time from key touch noise to speaker sound). Pianoteq 6.6.0 was set to standard Steinway D Prelude.</p><p>For example a recorded wave, where the measured timespan is 35 ms between key touch and pianoteq sound:</p><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/rKwyc5MP"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/rKwyc5MP/finger-click-to-speaker-sound.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/rKwyc5MP/finger-click-to-speaker-sound.png" title="https://i.postimg.cc/rKwyc5MP/finger-click-to-speaker-sound.png"/></span></a></p><p>I found no clear evidence for better latency with local-off using a single note C5 on this Kawai.</p><p>No matter whether the internal connected ES3-sound was the default Piano or Organ (both volume muted with a switch).</p><p>It seems, that the response is a few milliseconds better with local off, but a manual key touch is not easy reproducible and could be the reason (although I tried to hit the note C5 with constant staccato forte several times.</p><p>The raw values of a few repetitions:</p><p>Pianoteq Steinway D Prelude, key C5<br />===================================</p><p>ES3 Piano, local ON<br />[ms] latency<br />35<br />36<br />35<br />36<br />36</p><p>ES3 Piano, local OFF<br />[ms] latency<br />31<br />34<br />34<br />34<br />35<br />31<br />-----------------------------------</p><p>ES3 Organ, local ON<br />[ms] latency<br />36<br />36<br />38<br />39<br />37<br />35<br />36</p><p>ES3 Organ, local OFF<br />[ms] latency<br />33<br />35<br />35<br />36<br />36<br />33<br />====================================</p><p>This experiment is no general statement about keyboards with other internal electronics (of course) or latencies under higher cpu-load (polyphony, dsp-effects etc.).</p>]]></content>
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