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			<description><![CDATA[<p>agree with Qexl.</p><p>peterws, superb!!!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ringing frequencies with Steinway B]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#039;t say your video intrudes peterws - personally, enjoying your playing (sensing fine improvement in overall musicianship if you ask me) - sincerely, it&#039;s a joy to hear - nice work.</p><p>Those YouTube links auto-convert into video preview pics (there&#039;s possibly some current trick or other to stop that happening but not worth the worry IMO) - certainly not a worry to me at least - certain others also don&#039;t mind I&#039;m sure - would be quite a sad line to take otherwise - do keep at it peter <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 05:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sorry to intrude so much wi that YT page.&nbsp; I thought the link only would be given. . . getting everything wrong these days!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2019 19:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ringing frequencies with Steinway B]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=961788#p961788</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Your composition and&nbsp; Pianoteq sound very nice together.&nbsp; Also, in keeping with the subject of this thread,&nbsp; I always make any adjustments for &#039;stray&#039; harmonics using the note-by-note editor in the spectrum profile - Pro version of course.</p><p>Kudos,</p><p>Lanny</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ringing frequencies with Steinway B]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=961787#p961787</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me we get a modelled version of what the pioano sounds like in it&#039;s environment.&nbsp; Some notes ring more than others in every acoustic, and we should be glad that facet is reflected in what we receive.&nbsp; Resonances always produce sympathetic and unsympathetic ringing whilst the pedal is depressed.&nbsp; I find that in the Steinway D, and others.<br />Sounds fine by me . . . </p><p> <a href="https://youtu.be/mv-XGJHeYA0">https://youtu.be/mv-XGJHeYA0</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (peterws)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2019 22:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dare I say, that in your case, Pro is the only way to go?&nbsp; </p><p>The Spectrum Profile in the NOTE EDIT window varies remarkably from the Steinway B Bright preset to the adjacent presets.&nbsp; These variations occur within your aforementioned note ranges.&nbsp; And, each of the preset&#039;s profile is nonlinear, differently!</p><p>Incidentally, now I&#039;m finding Pianoteq Stage does have its own Condition slider.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Amen Ptah Ra)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Amen Ptah Ra wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Noticeably, the Steinway B Bright preset additionally has an Instrument condition showing a value (0.10) in Wear and tear.&nbsp; Which alone seems the most probable source of your dissatisfaction with the preset.&nbsp; So, I am including a customized version of it with mint condition set for you —with your copy of Pianoteq Stage— to test it: <a href="https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/a5qm2zll">https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/a5qm2zll</a><br />Let me know if it solves any of your problems.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you so much Amen Ptah Ra for your help. I&#039;ve tried this FXP (and tried to vary the Condition setting by hand as well) but it did not change much.<br />I also tried to fiddle around with some other interesting setting using an evaluation copy of the Standard version, but the only result I got was to modify the overall sound, which was not what I wanted. I start to convince myself that what I hear is really part of the model (some resonance of the soundboard or something), so the only way to reduce it is to act at the EQ level. I tried, with mixed outcome because this sound has several harmonics, and I&#039;ve not been lucky so far.<br />This does not prevent me from using this piano model by the way. And I guess in a live condition it is something that would be hardly noticed by the audience. Let&#039;s say it was also a way for me to dig into the many settings of Pianoteq! <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p><p>Thanks again.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=961774#p961774</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>hey Qexl,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;thank you sooo much for your kind excellent reply!!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2019 03:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Heya Charlie, </p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>chasmanian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>hi Qexl, would you please tell me how to find the Pianoteq curves page?</p></blockquote></div><br /><p><span class="bbu"><strong><a href="https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewforum.php?id=10">Pianoteq Velocity Curves for Digital Keyboards</a></strong></span> &lt;-- lookout me hearties, thar be the link!</p><br /><p>It&#039;s one of the forums at the main <a href="https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/">Pianoteq Forums URL</a> - for some reason I overlooked linking it, and somehow remembered it to be a page instead of one of the forums here, doh <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> </p><p>When I first got my most recent keyboard, I was not so sure of my own curve calibrations - was on a reasonable path but I found 3 excellent curves for my keyboard there (one is a doozy) - really great resource - highly recommend any new Pianoteq user, or anyone with a new keyboard, to click through to have a search to see if there are some to try out matching their digital keyboards (manufacturer official or not).</p><p>Cheers to all.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Qexl)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=961769#p961769</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Phil wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #FF0000">Are you sure? </span>I can understand why by reading your quote, but I thought it was limited to personalized FXP loading.</p></blockquote></div><p>I have to say, Phil, it really ain&#039;t about me as much as it is about whether or not your copy of Pianoteq Stage is enough for you to arrive at your desired outcome.&nbsp; Anyway, the quote is one taken directly from a Pianoteq webpage, <a href="https://www.pianoteq.com/pianoteq6">https://www.pianoteq.com/pianoteq6</a>.&nbsp; As you know, Phil, one can argue demo presets that are on the Pianoteq instrument webpages and appear with the word <em>customized</em> are official Pianoteq presets, if you want to argue over semantics!</p><p>Onto the subject at hand, which is &quot;Ringing frequencies with Steinway B&quot; or Steinway Model B Bright preset as accessed from within your copy of Pianoteq Stage.&nbsp; Specifically, the Steinway B Bright and other presets immediately adjacent it inside the Pianoteq Preset manager include identical mic positions.&nbsp; They are similarly in common with the presets Steinway B Wide and Steinway B Dreamy of the same mic positions.&nbsp; </p><p>In addition to others, the Volume, Damping Duration, Damper Position, Hammer Hardness, Direct Sound Duration, and Unison Width parameters differ among these presets.&nbsp; Of which, the largest variance and most striking note-to-note occurs within discrepancies found in the Pianoteq Volume parameter&nbsp; —as I see it from its window on my copy of Pianoteq Pro.</p><p>Noticeably, the Steinway B Bright preset additionally has an Instrument condition showing a value (0.10) in Wear and tear.&nbsp; Which alone seems the most probable source of your dissatisfaction with the preset.&nbsp; So, I am including a customized version of it with mint condition set for you —with your copy of Pianoteq Stage— to test it: <a href="https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/a5qm2zll">https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/a5qm2zll</a><br />Let me know if it solves any of your problems.<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Phil wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>1. Playing notes between F4 and A4 I can hear (with velocity above 75) some high frequency ringing above the main frequency of the note (and too strong to be a mere harmonic -- maybe some resonance)... Anybody else hearing that? To my ears it does not seem to happen with the surrounding D4 or B4. I don&#039;t know if it may be related but I hear the *same* ringing frequency with F5, F#5 and G5, and also with F3, F#3...</p><p>2. Right after E6 (last note with a damper), F6, F#6 and G6 (again with velocity above 75) do not sound very clean... whereas from A6 on it is gorgeous! <span style="color: #FF0000">Not sure what&#039;s going on here.</span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000">Should I go to an ear specialist?</span> or can some of you guys hear the same?</p><p>In case it is the latter: any way to tweak this? I&#039;m (still) using Stage by the way, <span style="color: #FF0000">so I&#039;m not sure I have many parameters to play with.</span></p><p><span style="color: #FF0000">Please don&#039;t get me wrong: </span>Pianoteq is wonderful and I love it! I just wanted to share these peculiarities I can hear on this specific sound which I use often. It could even be that it is an actual resonance of a real Model B which Pianoteq is so accurate to reproduce...</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Phil wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Amen Ptah Ra wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You appear ready for an upgrade</p></blockquote></div><p><span style="color: #FF0000">Yeah, I&#039;m afraid I am!</span> <i class="far fa-laugh-beam smiley"></i></p><p>At least starting out with Standard first. Then Pro if necessary.</p></blockquote></div><p>And, let me reiterate; individual note and group note adjustments have been limited to volume changes on the standard copy.&nbsp; Only Pianoteq Pro permits other parameter adjustments on a per note basis!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=961758#p961758</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>&quot;AND can be the single most important setting you will make - take good chunks of time to experiment with the curve, search the Pianoteq curves page to view curves for your keyboard&quot;</p><p>hi Qexl,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; would you please tell me how to find the Pianoteq curves page?</p><p>thank you,<br />Charlie</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Also, if you do something like changing mic types or positions (in Standard or Pro) and then load the fxp in Stage, you won&#039;t hear the effect (the mics will remain in the default settings). To quote from <a href="https://www.pianoteq.com/pianoteq6">https://www.pianoteq.com/pianoteq6</a> : &#039;In PIANOTEQ Stage, preset loading is limited to parameters that are present in the interface. Presets built with PIANOTEQ PRO can be loaded in PIANOTEQ Standard without limitation.&#039; You can test this for yourself with the Standard demo.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=961750#p961750</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Presets from Stage do sound the same in Standard and Pro. But Pro presets with all per-key tweakings won&#039;t sound correct in Stage, because it doesn&#039;t load those per-key tweakings.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=961749#p961749</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Amen Ptah Ra wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>In PIANOTEQ Stage, preset loading is limited to parameters that are present in the interface. Presets built with PIANOTEQ PRO can be loaded in PIANOTEQ Standard without limitation.</p></blockquote></div><p>Because of internal differences, some presets when inside a limited interface PIANOTEQ Stage (your copy) sound differently, compared to PIANOTEQ Standard or PIANOTEQ PRO.</p></blockquote></div><p>Are you sure? I can understand why by reading your quote, but I thought it was limited to personalized FXP loading.</p><p>I would have expected that presets in Stage would sound the same in Standard. Did you happen to hear any difference from that respect?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Phil wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Amen Ptah Ra wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You appear ready for an upgrade</p></blockquote></div><p>Yeah, I&#039;m afraid I am! <i class="far fa-laugh-beam smiley"></i></p><p>At least starting out with Standard first. Then Pro if necessary.</p></blockquote></div><p>Fear not; <strong>PIANO</strong>TEQ <strong>PRO</strong> allows the necessary adjustments of all the parameters on an individual note.&nbsp; It does whenever a specific note or group of notes you would begin to change, if any of which ever becomes gradually problematic.</p><p>Individual note and group note adjustments have been limited to volume changes on the standard copy.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>In PIANOTEQ Stage, preset loading is limited to parameters that are present in the interface. Presets built with PIANOTEQ PRO can be loaded in PIANOTEQ Standard without limitation.</p></blockquote></div><p>Because of internal differences, some presets when inside a limited interface PIANOTEQ Stage (your copy) sound differently, compared to PIANOTEQ Standard or PIANOTEQ PRO.<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Phil wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I really love the sound of Steinway B. I have noticed though a couple of &quot;odd&quot; things about this sound which is most obvious with the &quot;Bright&quot; preset and which I&#039;ll try to describe.</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Amen Ptah Ra)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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