Modartt user forum - Steinway for Roland users

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (Glenn NK) — Sun, 24 May 2009 23:37:40 +0000

DonSmith wrote:

Steinways:
I think the M3 pianos are aimed at the Steinway and the C3 at the Bösendorfer. There is a Steinway Grand Piano at the church I attend and it sounds like the M3 Pianos. Steinway seems easier to achieve than a Bösendorfer. Has any one got a recording of scales/octaves of these pianos?
Amazing though,we're talking over £/$100,000 worth of pianos.

Strangely when I rendered the Purgatory Creek midi file to wave, and compared it to the actual Steinway B recording, the middle sections were almost identical in sound (to my ears) when I used the C3 (see the other thread about interesting comparison). I should try the M3 for comparison.

But yes, you are correct I believe in that the M3 is supposedly the Steinway sound - at least it has been talked about around here.

As an aside, I wonder what the future Bosendorfers will sound like - the company was purchased by Yamaha a while back.

I have had the opportunity to play two Bosies in my lifetime, and to me they were as close to heaven as I could get without dying. The clarity of sound was amazing, never any muddiness.

Glenn

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (DonSmith) — Sun, 24 May 2009 19:54:13 +0000

Steinways:
I think the M3 pianos are aimed at the Steinway and the C3 at the Bösendorfer. There is a Steinway Grand Piano at the church I attend and it sounds like the M3 Pianos. Steinway seems easier to achieve than a Bösendorfer. Has any one got a recording of scales/octaves of these pianos?

Amazing though,we're talking over £/$100,000 worth of pianos.

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (CuriousDan) — Sun, 24 May 2009 06:44:05 +0000

sigasa wrote:

Curious Dan
what settings do you use? Do you have an .fxp?

It's just the default grand...

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (sigasa) — Thu, 14 May 2009 08:19:35 +0000

Curious Dan

what settings do you use? Do you have an .fxp?

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (sigasa) — Wed, 13 May 2009 18:53:17 +0000

when you have downloaded pianoteq 3.0.2, Choose the C3 Solo Recording preset (Sound Recording Output). Set string length to 201cm and set the Delay Compensation to 'on' as this is more suited to live playing. After you have set these perameters, then tweek your bass / treble on your speakers and you should be away! Hope this helps

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (romantic) — Wed, 13 May 2009 16:40:07 +0000

CuriousDan: I do the same with the eq of my powered speakers !

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (CuriousDan) — Wed, 13 May 2009 10:19:48 +0000

I found a very simple solution...I could have kicked myself for not thinking of it earlier.

I have a Behringer mixer with Treble, Mid and Bass controls for each channel, so I turned the bass a bit up and the treble a bit down. Instant Steinway, worked faster than the built-in equalizer.

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (romantic) — Sun, 10 May 2009 21:22:48 +0000

Hi, sigasa . I really apreciate your suggestion. I tried the 2.01 lenght and it worked, as you said!(I'm uploading the modified version now). The subject of the perspective from the player position is very important to me also, but with PT2.2 I only have the stereophonic option. I'll try PT3 and see. Thanks.

sigasa wrote:

you might also want to try a string lenght of 201cm as this is the length of the longest string on a steinway model D

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (sigasa) — Sat, 09 May 2009 07:06:53 +0000

you might also want to try a string lenght of 201cm as this is the length of the longest string on a steinway model D

Re: Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (sigasa) — Fri, 08 May 2009 22:28:54 +0000

I think you've done a good job at having a go at a steinway .fxp!

you could also try using the C3 solo recording preset (pianoteq 3, obviously) with stereophonic output and maybe adjusting the velocity curve in pianoteq and/or the touch settings on your roland?

remember that playing a piano sounds different to listening to one from an audience perspective. I suspect you have matched your pianoteq settings with a recorded piano, hence your choice to use the stereophonic output.

the C3 is described by pianoteq as a 'classical concert piano' which leads me to believe they've pretty much aimed at a likeness to a steinway? Therefore I would suggest that you base your steinway .fxp on the C3 (pianoteq v. 3.0.2)?

However, If you like your sound more, hey, use that. It's certainly nothing to be sniffed at!!!

Steinway for Roland users

null@example.com (romantic) — Thu, 07 May 2009 15:59:42 +0000

Hi !. I tried very hard to get a Steinway sound using PT 2.2 and my old Roland HP 2800 piano keyboard, which seems to have a weird amplitude curve or maybe one not so compatible with PT. I think I get very close, so I want to share this to help those who may be in a similar situation. It's posted as "Steinway for Roland users". I hope you like it !