Modartt user forum - Temperament changes on the fly

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2019-10-24T07:12:54Z

And thanks again for pointing me to this software Amen Ptah Ra--using it with Pianoteq for a performance this weekend.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2019-10-24T05:51:34Z

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Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2019-10-23T18:47:35Z

If you haven't found an ideal solution to this yet, look into GigPerformer, it can do what you want. Its "patch persist" function is what you'll need to use.

I use it for switching between many different instruments seamlessly, and it works very nicely.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-26T09:19:20Z

Of course.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-25T22:38:36Z

EvilDragon wrote:

You can use A/B switch but that only covers two presets.

Can we assign A/B switch via midi events ?

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T15:15:30Z

I can use Reaper pretty much exactly how you'd use Mainstage, but with the benefit of having a timeline and placing events on it. And Reaper is rock solid, stability-wise, very light install, and very light on CPU/RAM.

Think about it.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T14:15:13Z

Sure, I do want to use Pianoteq.
This is for live performance, preferably without DAW, perhaps with a softsynth host like MainStage. In a DAW project (recording), there is no problem, everything can be handled the way you suggest.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T14:10:46Z

Yes but you don't get the awesome modeling capabilities of Pianoteq in any Kontakt sampled piano.

I think, if you know what the repertoire is and when the changes are supposed to occur, you can simply program all the changes in advance on MIDI items in the DAW project, automate track mutes, etc.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T13:28:25Z

Do you have a suggestion? I was thinking that a program could be made in Max/MSP that follows what midi notes the pianist is playing, and changes the tuning of the mute channel in advance, while the pianist would still make the channel changes. But a much simpler solution would be to use some other instrument for the piano sounds than Pianoteq, one that does the tuning changes without glitches - Kontakt, for example.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T13:07:53Z

nylonius wrote:

One possibility would be to have only two instances of Pianoteq and change the Temperament in the one that's not being played, in advance, and then change the MIDI Channel at the point of the required Temperament change in the music, then change the Temperament in the mute instance again, and so on, but this seems complicated.

When there's a will, there's a way

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T11:07:58Z

"Technically it should not be a big problem to make temperament changes not be real-time but applied on next played note. However it would still impact previously sounding notes."
Yes, that makes sense. But assuming no sustain pedal, most of the Temperament changes I tested were in fact instantaneous; I just would prefer Pianoteq to wait for NoteOff for all sounding notes before making the change. I can live with this, though. However, sometimes there is an interruption in the sound and some noise. I am not 100% sure why this occurs but as I wrote above, I believe it happens when the new tuning is too distant from the old one.

Switching between multiple instances within a DAW works, sure, but it's not a good solution in my case, as this is for performing, and there are tens of Temperaments that the player keeps changing via MIDI. One possibility would be to have only two instances of Pianoteq and change the Temperament in the one that's not being played, in advance, and then change the MIDI Channel at the point of the required Temperament change in the music, then change the Temperament in the mute instance again, and so on, but this seems complicated.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T10:47:44Z

yes - multiple instances within a DAW - THE solution

Lanny

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T08:44:42Z

Technically it should not be a big problem to make temperament changes not be real-time but applied on next played note. However it would still impact previously sounding notes (i.e. sympathetic resonance, or if sustain pedal is depressed), because the model runs in realtime... It's like, literally detuning all the strings at the same time with the piano tuning wrench. Of course you'd need absolute silence if you want to change temperaments without ANY sort of artifacting or messing with existing output.

At this point, just use multiple instances in a DAW and switch between them? That is going to be guaranteed glitch-free transitions.

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T08:30:49Z

.. and in reality, to change the temperament, you need to interrupt for at least an hour and a half .. until the tuner reconfigures all 88 notes. In Pianoteq this happens for how much? A quarter of a second? In life, it takes more time just to get from one piano to another, with a different temperament) (oh these rates of modern life) :-)

Re: Temperament changes on the fly

2018-06-09T00:15:50Z

Yes, I tested it too, and indeed changing Temperament presets with MIDI notes works rather well, and it's quite handy to be able to change tunings independently of Instrument patches. However, the small glitches and interruptions are still there and it's true that MTS would allow smooth changes even when notes are sounding.

But one would think the tuning implementation of Pianoteq could be improved to make any Temperament changes instantaneous and smooth, and not affect simultaneously sounding, held notes.