It wasn't visible on the add- on site.

Thanks
bernie

Does anyone know the little piece of music of the current CP-80 demo on the free add- on site?

Is it something known or just an improvisation?

Thank you

Bernie

Skip, please, could you play the song again ? (damn I sound like a 14yrs old girl)

Hi Bouloutaur, it's a pleasure to meet you here too; well, before Vangelis, almost all prog bands had it (together with the CS-80) in the 70s and 80s, it's also rather common as an instrument in the US.
If I could do anything to have this CP80 bettered I could be happy; it's likely that the perfect emulation of the CP lies among the Pianoteq sound and GSi's MG70 (is it called so?) which has different problems than the Pianoteq but retains most of the "electro" side of the CP models.
BTW: I'm not supporting GSi in any possible way, I don't know the people behind that company and I'm not having any ad purpose by mentioning them.

Demo of Guillaume's suggested settings:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...hentic.mp3

EDIT: Something sounds very wrong with the Monophonic output to me - it sounds like it's actually a stereo signal summed, rather than a true mono signal. I can hear objectionable phasing artifacts. (playing through headphones).  I've played a real one and it didn't have this problem.

Just registered here to say I love that tune and the instrument... Well the whole package, which brings unexplainable memories back and inspires me to the point I'm figuring in my head the whole orchestration behind it, strings and layers I could add to it...

I discovered CP80 through Vangelis as well, like Omissis I guess ( ) and I really think this is a good approximation of the instrument here by the way. Of course I may not be as nitpicking as him... But man, that melody's hauting me...

Skip, please, could you play the song again ? (damn I sound like a 14yrs old girl)

Maybe some people complain about CP-80 pianoteq add-on, about the sound don't be exactly the same, cause when they paly the real one they also heard a bit of the unpluged sound.

I once sugested to add a option to have the unplogued sound. Maybe a control of blendinf the pluged and unpluged.

Pianoteq's CP-80 doesn't sound bad at all, the sound is there, it sounds just unplugged and a little bit prone to long decays when sustain is not pressed, but for the rest it is indeed a good sound.

Despite the bad audio quality it sounds indeed like an "unplugged" CP-80, to me at least!

Ah, maybe it is - that possibility never occurred to me.

Thanks for the clips!

Greg.

I once sugested to add a option to have the unplogued sound. Maybe a control of blendinf the pluged and unpluged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNYTzwxa...re=related

"plugged" CP-80

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7judCUQ...re=related

Just stumbled on this home recording of a CP80, in which it sounds very "acoustic" - it often sounds much more like an acoustic piano than a CP80 IMHO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoP5Lo00Yig (user gzalzala playing "Love Lies Bleeding")

Maybe the fidelity of the recording is so bad that it's hiding the CP80 character?

EDIT: I've only listened on my laptop's internal speakers so far - maybe I will change my mind after I have listened on proper equipment.

Greg.

Despite the bad audio quality it sounds indeed like an "unplugged" CP-80, to me at least!

Maybe the fidelity of the recording is so bad that it's hiding the CP80 character?

EDIT: I've only listened on my laptop's internal speakers so far - maybe I will change my mind after I have listened on proper equipment.

Greg.

And you are right, there is no amplifier included in the model, only the CP-80 in the way it provides the signal in its line out, which served as reference.

I didn't mean an "amplifier", like an external speaker which you can take the signal from by a microphone, I say "amplification", which is referred to as picking the vibrations up and convert them into sounds, nothing more....

anyway there's no need to make difference between one key and the other, the piezo pick ups were fixed, moreover the EQ on the CP was to shape the overall sound.....

I understand. I just thought that Pianoteq might already sound authentic for certain notes or ranges of notes, and that making global changes like you describe might have detremental effects for some ranges. But you never know until you try!

Greg.

Ok, I expressed myself wrongly: would the model of the electric amplification  improve to make it able to sound less resonant like in these examples

http://www.araldfx.com/audiodemos/ge_beethoven.mp3

http://www.bluesynths.com/modules.php?n...mp;id=1749

(this latter recorded direct to mixer, mono)

In any case piezo pick ups <edit- on the combo pianos> have nothing to do with centering and distancing, you know...by the way, did the model where you started from have hammers covered in leather or felt , like in some customized ones?

Oh sorry, we were not speaking about the same thing! I listened to the demo and could get closer to it by EQing the CP-80, lowering the high frequencies. Note that the demo that you linked is from a CP-70, which might explain the difference in sound (but even between two CP-80 there can be differences). The hammers were in their original state: covered with leather.

The soundboard absorbs energy, so everything beside being equal, removing the soundboard induces longer notes. Thus the reason of a shorter sound is to be found elsewhere. The intermodulation that you mention might come from the slight detuning between the 2 strings of each unisson. Note that these 2 strings are quite short and have not exactly the same lenght, so they are difficult to tune and there are always some beatings between overtones (not to mention the high inharmonicity).

That’s correct, 2 strings from G1 (MIDI note number 43) up to the top. That does not mean that there are less overtones, adding strings does a priori not change the relative loudness of the overtones, it changes mainly their decay characteristics. And you are right, there is no amplifier included in the model, only the CP-80 in the way it provides the signal in its line out, which served as reference.

Generally, yes, you can make the kinds of changes that you want, however currently the changes would effect *every* note. For example, if you just wanted to increase the bass frequencies for the middle three octaves of the keyboard, you can't do that yet.  Apparently there is a "professional" version of Pianoteq in the works, in which you will be able to edit each note seperately. (that's the impression I get from some forum posts I have read, anyway)

I'd feel more comfortable allowing Modartt to handle this request. (maybe you could send a MIDI file to Support, explaining that you need some assistance to evaluate the CP80?)

Greg.