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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Advice for piano purchase]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Glowing green envy prevents me from writing a longer response.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Advice for piano purchase]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much dklein and Joe for your great insights!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Advice for piano purchase]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have played numerous models of numerous Steinway pianos, both grand and upright.&nbsp; I have the following statement to share with you:&nbsp; Steinways can be highly variable out of the New York factory.&nbsp; While they can eventually be made to &quot;sing&quot;, apparently the Steinway factory relies on its own dealers&#039; technicians to set up and tweak any given new piano to a customer&#039;s requirements.</p><p><strong>(EDIT:&nbsp; <em>To all concerned, please do not take the above comments as a condemnation of Steinway piano products.&nbsp; They are highly valued musical instruments.&nbsp; The &quot;variability&quot; I notice is found mainly in the final voicing of the instruments; I do NOT intimate that Steinways are poor pianos by any means and there is nothing materially wrong or defective about a new Steinway piano as it leaves the factory, barring unforeseen damage during shipping.&nbsp; Apparently, I hold some of the world&#039;s finest pianos to a higher standard of voicing, sensitivity, repetition and general touch ... BECAUSE of their excellent pedigree, I am expecting them to be tuned and voiced in concert-ready condition. </em><br />End Edit) </strong> </p><p>That said, ...<br />Some of the finest pianos -- and some of the worst pianos I have played -- have been Steinways.&nbsp; At their best, a Steinway Model M (5&#039;7&quot;) can be a glorious instrument to play, especially in a domestic/home studio environment.&nbsp; If you are going to be doing any professional recording with the instrument, then the very least length of Steinway should be a Model B (nominally 7&#039; in overall length).&nbsp; </p><p>If you are looking into purchasing a rebuilt/refurbished Steinway, then only do it from a reputable dealer and pay the extra money they will inevitably charge.&nbsp; Hint:&nbsp; NEVER purchase ANY grand piano whose inside rim is lined with what looks like thick rope.&nbsp; Such a feature is an indication that the soundboard has been replaced, and it doesn&#039;t fit quite right, hence the &quot;rope&quot; used to cover all of the uneven overlap of replaced soundboard in a given case.</p><p>Also, if looking into purchasing a used/rebuilt/refurbished Steinway or other fine piano, please look at the large screwheads holding the cast iron frame to the case.&nbsp; IF you find &quot;messed-up&quot; screw heads, such as damaged screwheads -- then RUN, don&#039;t walk away from the deal.&nbsp; This is an indication of a possibly shoddy job of handling the piano during the rebuild/refurbish process.</p><p>Regarding a Steinway piano&#039;s estimated age, take note of the serial number cast into the frame, and compare it to the year of manufacture via the internet.&nbsp; Often times, a &quot;20 year old&quot; Steinway is in fact an &quot;80 year old&quot; Steinway.</p><p>I have said nothing regarding the physical condition of the felt hammers; that&#039;s a volume unto itself.</p><p>If you find that a given Steinway has real ivory keys (meaning that the key surfaces have horizontal splits in them, in order to save on ivory), just beware that such a piano was manufactured BEFORE about 1950.&nbsp; Stated a different way, a 30 year old Steinway in original condition will NOT have ivory keys!</p><p>Enough of my rambling,</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Joe</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jcfelice88keys)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2018 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Advice for piano purchase]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=953402#p953402</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I once played a Steinway &quot;S&quot; in a store (1949 vintage, if I remember correctly) - I was surprised that it sounded remarkably like a Steinway.&nbsp; It sounds silly that I&#039;m amazed, but it&#039;s such a cute little thing, and yet the tone and the sweetness was not much different from my mother&#039;s much larger 1951 &quot;M&quot;.&nbsp; My mom&#039;s &quot;M&quot; is the classic &#039;home&#039; Steinway baby grand, but the &quot;L&quot; has the best overall sound (short of a D) in my opinion.</p><p>If you like to gaze at a grand piano as a piece of furniture, by all means they are fine for apartments.&nbsp; If you don&#039;t like to look at a grand piano, an upright sounds great, and has few differences (note repetition speed is usually quoted, but my too-stiff return springs that I put into my upright by mistake have given me pretty-darn quick repetition), and fits in a much smaller space.&nbsp; Also, uprights are much cheaper - I paid $2000 for my already-rebuilt 1885 Steinway &quot;F&quot; upright from a Craigslist post.</p><p>If money is no object, she should buy the Steinway of her dreams and get a QRS PNOscan MIDI rail and Stop rail installed - some dealers sell all of their new pianos that way.&nbsp; Or even with a full player setup, if that&#039;s her goal.</p><p>If money is some object, and she doesn&#039;t want used, the Yamaha TransAcoustic series is really nice, allowing both for out-of-the-box MIDI along with the clean sound of an acoustic Yamaha baby grand or upright.&nbsp; Such a device has a stop rail which makes it easy in an apartment to play with headphones.</p><p>If money is some object, and she doesn&#039;t want to mess with piano tuners and out-of tune notes, and she can tolerate an all-electronic performance, the Yamaha AvantGrand series is quite good.</p><p>If money is an object, and she doesn&#039;t mind a little effort (or paid effort), have her pick the used piano of her dreams and install the QRS PNOscan MIDI strip and a stop rail - used pianos are a bargain compared to new pianos.&nbsp; Clearwater, Florida (for example) has a store called Randy&#039;s Piano Warehouse - under one roof, I walked up and down the aisles testing Steinways, Mason-Hamlins, a Boesendorfer, Baldwins, Webers, a couple of Apollos ($3K for a nice turn-of-the-prior-century Apollo baby grand with fabulous bass), Yamahas, and so forth.&nbsp; It&#039;s a great way to &#039;kick the tires&#039;, if nothing else, even if she doesn&#039;t buy from such a place.&nbsp; And then again, she might find just what she wants.</p><p>Just as when you are looking for a loyal companion dog as a pet, there are all too many homeless pianos that are looking to be adopted by an adoring human.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (dklein)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2018 20:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Advice for piano purchase]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=953399#p953399</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Preface: This topic is probably better suited for places like pianoworld forums...etc., but I have no registration there and am unfamiliar with the members there...I hope the users in this forum, whom I greatly esteem, may share your advice and expertise. But if it is really unsuitable, feel free to disregard or remove.</p><p>One of my friend is looking to purchase a new Steinway grand piano, she is a pretty advanced classical player (playing Bach Prelude and Fugues, Beethoven Sonatas, Chopin Walzes...etc.). Given the fact that she lives in an ~700 square feet apartment, she is looking at the smaller ones (Model S or Model M). I have really no experience in playing a Steinway (except for the Pianoteq Steinway Model D and Model B of course! <i class="far fa-smile-beam smiley"></i>) so I would like to seek advice for the following:</p><p>1. Anyone has experiences with playing the smaller models (Model S or Model M) of Steinway Grand? How was the experience? Are they worth the significant cost? Are small Steinways just Steinways in name but a very different piano altogether compared to their bigger models?<br />2. Are grand pianos in general a good idea for an apartment setting? What is the chance of overwhelming volume contributing to a negative experience to the piano player him/herself and annoying the neighbors at the same time?<br />3. If you were my friend, and if cost is not a factor (but everything else is, including the living conditions), would you purchase a Steinway &quot;baby&quot; grand or purchase a top of the line hybrid piano (e.g., Yamaha Avantgrand or Kawai Novus) and run Pianoteq?</p><p>Any ideas / opinions / experiences will be greatly appreciated.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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