To realistically model these instruments, the controller must mimic the human touch; at difficult task at best.

Yes, it is difficult...especially live. However, if we eliminate some of the 'organic' sounds like breath, aperture noise, bow noise, finger noise, etc. we have fewer parameters to imitate. What's left? Tone, color, vibrato, dynamics, etc. which can be controlled from mod-wheel, pressure, velocity, etc. It's still just as expressive...just not as "authentic" for some.

Some of the heated arguments on this forum are about such characteristics that are missing from Pianoteq, and I say that is fine. As long as it is dynamic/responsive  to the point of becoming an extension of my expressiveness, I have no complaints. However, it is comforting to hear things like hammer strike, damper pedal, string resonance...organic sounds. But who is that for? Is it for the audience or the performer?

sigasa wrote:

How about Modartt simply sticks to soley percussive/keyboard/chromatic instruments?

I always thought they could do a rather good acoustic guitar instrument. In fact, they could probably do just about any string/body instrument based on their modelling. Or why even limit it to that...their whole resonance/sound speed model could be applied to virtual wind instruments, no?

Maybe they could do a good virtual analog synth too

John:

I think the biggest problem with instruments like horns and guitars is that the sound can be greatly affected by human touch.

A guitarist can vary the sound by varying the pressure on the frets (pitch bends come to mind first).  And as someone else pointed out elsewhere, different strings can produce the same pitch, albeit with a quite different timbre.

Horns (particularly the trombone) can vary pitch considerably (pitch bends), and the tone from any of the wind instruments is either the result of human lips (trumpet) or the way human lips control the reed (sax, clarinet, etc).

Then there is the way the horns can change volume and tone throughout the duration of a single note.

My DP can produce some realistic sounding continuous sax tones, but there is little if any intonation, and the sound level is very static.

To realistically model these instruments, the controller must mimic the human touch; at difficult task at best.

Glenn

How about Modartt simply sticks to soley percussive/keyboard/chromatic instruments?

I always thought they could do a rather good acoustic guitar instrument. In fact, they could probably do just about any string/body instrument based on their modelling. Or why even limit it to that...their whole resonance/sound speed model could be applied to virtual wind instruments, no?

Maybe they could do a good virtual analog synth too

Honestly I'm not very impressed with the situation here. There has hardly been any progress for a long time. I bought my copy of PT almost two years ago and there still hasn't been a major revision.

At least release some new pianos or something. FXP tweaking only goes so far.

Patience always pays off, rest assured

Honestly I'm not very impressed with the situation here. There has hardly been any progress for a long time. I bought my copy of PT almost two years ago and there still hasn't been a major revision.

At least release some new pianos or something. FXP tweaking only goes so far.

May I repectfully ask this question, how do you improve on something that is already almost perfect? Yes I agree that perfection is acheivable, and I strongly suspect that Modartt have not paused in pursuing this, but the callibre of this software is rarely surpassed! I assure you, I am very passionate about PianoTeq and am always extremely interested in anything that Modartt bring out, but I am awesomely impressed with the current version of the product and every day it impresses me more! I am convinced that PianoTeq 3's true beauty has not even yet been fully heard. There are so many variables that there will never be an identicle aural experience for the same person listening to the same recoding/sounds on exactly the same equipment with exactly the same environmental setup on two different occasions simply because we are creatures not machines, let alone all the miriad of different headphones, speakers, soundcards, keyboards etc., and the varying conditions of each of these!!!

I am working very hard at the moment with callibrating PianoTeq with my NUMA Nero keys. I have so far heard some amazing sounds from my system, but I'll personally not be satisfied until I have perfected my setup. Not that I am unsatisfied in any way, but my pusuit of perfection is based on my knowing it is acheivable and I shall not stop until I reach this ultimate goal.  Of course we all have differing tastes, but perfection is perfection in anybody's language! I may not be particularly interested in the latest prototype sports car, but I can certainly appreciate it's quality (or not).

My point? I understand where you are coming from in your desire to see, or rather hear even greater things from PianoTeq - your pursuit of perfection if you will, but my God, PianoTeq 3 is almost the 'K9's testicles'!

In the mean time, I will keep posting, as will all of us loyal posters. We have much to enjoy,

warm regards,

Chris

At least release some new pianos or something. FXP tweaking only goes so far.

I wouldn't know a Steiway B if I was hit over the head with it

You'd surely know afterwards though!!!

My father owns a real one. It is a very delicate instrument to play. It is "bebung" pressure sensitive. The sound is beautiful with a low volume, suitable for playing at late night without upsetting the neighbours. You have a direct contact with the strings, there is no mechanics between the keyboard and the strings, like in a piano.

So, how does one record a PTQ file ?

But could it actually be possible to put 2-3 instruments on top of each other and detune them a bit, so the sound gets thicker?

Yes, use more instances of Pianoteq 3.

But could it actually be possible to put 2-3 instruments on top of each other and detune them a bit, so the sound gets thicker?

Thanks

Dan

It has a smaller body than a D, so it must have shorter strings, and it doesn't have as much growl or rumble. Beautiful sound, in any case. Lots of presence in the midrange.

I'm not complaining about pianoteq models, just expressing my admiration for the Steinway-B special soft sound .