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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Reviving this thread to post a summary of my experience with M-Audio Hammer 88 Pro and why you may not want to buy it.</p><p>- The keys are wobbly and slippery, especially the black keys.<br />- The key action is very noisy.&nbsp; Thud clunk thud clunk.<br />- The white keys have sharp edges.<br />- The pivot length is very short.&nbsp; Playing near the fallboard is not feasible.<br />- The USB MIDI implementation is somehow broken; while playing, it sometimes sends extra note-on and CC data I didn&#039;t input.<br />- Note-off velocity is fixed at 64.<br />- When I contacted M-Audio support asking about note-off velocities, I never got a reply.<br />- When the keyboard has been idle for a few minutes, all the pads and buttons go into party mode with flashing colors.&nbsp; This continues until you press a key or turn off the thing.</p><p>Or you could listen to M-Audio&#039;s marketing department: «Hammer 88 Pro’s best-in-class 88 graded hammer-action keybed combines professional, graded, weighted hammer-action with advanced high-speed keybed scanning technology for an ultra-expressive playing experience.»</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lycomedes]]></name>
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			<updated>2024-01-13T15:01:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It seems like the source of the problem was that I created manually some weird note-off velocity curve in Pianoteq.<br />I calibrated the note-off velocity curve with Pianoeq velocity curve calibration and it seems that now things are settled.</p><p>The keyboard is really good when it works as it should and without glitches. The linear curve is perfect for Pianoteq and everything I do, whether it is virtual pianos or other virtual instruments.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-06-14T11:22:10Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here are the latest news:<br />I played for about an hour or so.<br />It started to happen a lot with Pianoteq 5 as well.</p><p>I didn&#039;t notice it happen with other virtual pianos in this last session.<br />As a matter of fact, I remember I noticed it happened only one time with other virtual pianos.</p><p>I have to mention I played with Spectrasonics Keyscape most of the time I didn&#039;t play with Pianoteq.<br />I don&#039;t remember I noticed it happened with non piano virtual instruments.</p><p>I think it&#039;s still early to get to conclusions, because I didn&#039;t played enough on my Hammer 88 yet, but so far it seems that the problem is not only with the Hammer 88, but with Pianoteq as well. It seems like they fail to integrate with each other.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-28T11:56:39Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lycomedes wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, you should try disconnecting the KORG nanoKONTROL Studio, and any other MIDI devices, to see if it solves the problem.</p></blockquote></div><p>I should have mention that I don&#039;t have a KORG nanoKONTROL Studio yet anyway.</p><p>But let&#039;s see if the cable thing helps, I&#039;ll update shortly.</p><p>Thank you very much for trying to help me.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-28T10:34:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, you should try disconnecting the KORG nanoKONTROL Studio, and any other MIDI devices, to see if it solves the problem.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lycomedes]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-05-28T10:29:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lycomedes wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>hag01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Lycomedes wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I found a solution.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t had any glitch input after making these changes:</p><p>1) In the Hammer 88 settings, set &quot;midi out&quot; to &quot;off&quot;<br />2) In Pianoteq/Reaper settings, go to input devices and uncheck MIDIIN2-4</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey, I’m having this problem too and it’s ruing everything. Too bad because apart from that I really like this keyboard.</p><p>Can you tell me how do I turn off “MIDI out” in the hammer 88 settings?<br />I can’t see this parameter in the Hammer 88 MIDI Editor.</p></blockquote></div><p>The MIDI out setting is in the onboard settings, it&#039;s the &quot;global&quot; button on the Pro version, maybe not on the Hammer 88.&nbsp; Also make sure you don&#039;t have any other MIDI controller connected/enabled, that may interfere with the signal.</p></blockquote></div><p>OK I checked in the manual, as far as I can tell there is no such parameter as &quot;MIDI out&quot; in the Hammer 88 non pro version.</p><p>I&#039;ll try to connect the Hammer 88 directly to my computer, not through a USB hub and a USB extension cable as I did mostly so far, and see if it helps.</p><p>Anyway, I can tell you for sure that this problem is much more common with Pianoteq 7 than with any other VST instrument I played with through the Hammer 88, including Pianoteq 5 which I tried after having this problem with Pianoteq 7.</p><p>And another note- Not connecting another MIDI device is out of the question for me, the whole ergonomic plane for my new home studio desk was based on combining the Hammer 88 with KORG nanoKONTROL Studio on my desk for additional controllers.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-28T10:13:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>hag01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Lycomedes wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I found a solution.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t had any glitch input after making these changes:</p><p>1) In the Hammer 88 settings, set &quot;midi out&quot; to &quot;off&quot;<br />2) In Pianoteq/Reaper settings, go to input devices and uncheck MIDIIN2-4</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey, I’m having this problem too and it’s ruing everything. Too bad because apart from that I really like this keyboard.</p><p>Can you tell me how do I turn off “MIDI out” in the hammer 88 settings?<br />I can’t see this parameter in the Hammer 88 MIDI Editor.</p></blockquote></div><p>The MIDI out setting is in the onboard settings, it&#039;s the &quot;global&quot; button on the Pro version, maybe not on the Hammer 88.&nbsp; Also make sure you don&#039;t have any other MIDI controller connected/enabled, that may interfere with the signal.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-27T21:37:54Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lycomedes wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I found a solution.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t had any glitch input after making these changes:</p><p>1) In the Hammer 88 settings, set &quot;midi out&quot; to &quot;off&quot;<br />2) In Pianoteq/Reaper settings, go to input devices and uncheck MIDIIN2-4</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey, I’m having this problem too and it’s ruing everything. Too bad because apart from that I really like this keyboard.</p><p>Can you tell me how do I turn off “MIDI out” in the hammer 88 settings?<br />I can’t see this parameter in the Hammer 88 MIDI Editor.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-27T20:17:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, from what we&#039;ve been able to gather, it appears Hammer 88 sends note-off velocities, but Hammer 88 Pro doesn&#039;t.&nbsp; I&#039;m not aware of any place where M-Audio informs of this, and they never replied to my email.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-23T15:24:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Excellent things to do with most dpianos and DAWs Lycomedes! </p><p>For your point 1, might be worth saying that in some dpianos, the &#039;MIDI out&#039; may be called something like &quot;Local MIDI&quot;, always good to turn this kind of thing OFF. </p><p>Have found not turning it off, can be attributed to some glitches, esp. over USB connected dpianos, not so much if using old style MIDI cabling (which I prefer). Would be interested if others find similar.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-23T03:16:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I found a solution.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t had any glitch input after making these changes:</p><p>1) In the Hammer 88 settings, set &quot;midi out&quot; to &quot;off&quot;<br />2) In Pianoteq/Reaper settings, go to input devices and uncheck MIDIIN2-4</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-23T00:23:16Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#039;ve confirmed the glitch input also happens with other VSTs, in particular Spitfire&#039;s Intimate Grand Piano.&nbsp; I&#039;ll try to get a refund, and I won&#039;t be buying any more M-Audio products.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-19T19:13:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: M Audio Hammer 88 with Pianoteq]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lycomedes wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>.&nbsp; And occasionally a note is &quot;stuck&quot;, or there&#039;s sudden garbled input (extra notes I didn&#039;t press), at least with Pianoteq<br /><a href="https://disk.yandex.com/i/DWU5nNWAfUwtEQ">https://disk.yandex.com/i/DWU5nNWAfUwtEQ</a></p></blockquote></div><p>It happens to me too. <br />But since it only happened in Pianoteq so far, I&#039;m not sure yet that it is the Hammer 88&#039;s fault.<br />I didn&#039;t play so much on other VST instrument through the Hammer 88 yet, so I&#039;m also not sure yet whether it doesn&#039;t happen on other VST instruments.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-19T08:38:49Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hammer 88 Pro does not send note-off velocities, at least mine doesn&#039;t.&nbsp; I never got a response from M-Audio support.&nbsp; And occasionally a note is &quot;stuck&quot;, or there&#039;s sudden garbled input (extra notes I didn&#039;t press), at least with Pianoteq, I haven&#039;t encountered that with other piano VSTs, at least not yet.</p><p>In the MIDI, along with the garbled input, is the sudden apperance of a random MIDI CC like 73 (Sound Attack) or 59, and the pedal input also looks strange.</p><p><a href="https://disk.yandex.com/i/DWU5nNWAfUwtEQ">https://disk.yandex.com/i/DWU5nNWAfUwtEQ</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-18T21:03:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Hammer 88 is at my place for quite few days already.<br />It does send note-off velocity.<br />But the preset editor doesn&#039;t work while any VST program is running.<br />I even thought it might be a malfunction so I contacted M-Audio support and they told me that this is a limitation of the keyboard, they referred to the preset editor as &quot;post production tool&quot;, oh well. <br />Still best product on the market for what I need as far as I know. For example in Native Instrument Kontrol 88 the MIDI CC value of the mod-wheel is fixed - can not be changed at all via the MIDI editor of this keyboard.<br />Other keyboards just don&#039;t have the wheels on the left.</p><p>Hopefully I&#039;ll get along via Cubase&#039;s MIDI transformer and such.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-05-18T17:32:35Z</updated>
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