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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Did you try to set the condition slider a bit to the right?</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s great.&nbsp; Please post your preset file so that we can share in your creation.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dklein]]></name>
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			<updated>2018-01-10T18:01:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: help on overcoming nasal/plastic piano sound]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all your useful suggestions I finally got very close to the pianoforte sound I was looking for.<br />Here is what I did (starting point: Steinway D Prelude):</p><p>0. raised volume to +2dB<br />1. switched to binaural mode<br />2. switched off all effects<br />3. set hammer noise, spectrum profile, impedance and damper position to the values Don suggested, and tweaked them a bit<br />4. switched back to mic mode<br />5. put mic 1 and 2 more distant from the board<br />6. switched on Reverb, added a bit more wet and lowered tone parameter<br />7. added some compression (standard Ableton Live compressor) </p><p>Now I finally realize how much Pianoteq timbre is richer and more alive than Galaxy D!</p><p>(perhaps It&#039;s worth mentioning that I actually have a ear problem (bilateral otosclerosis) that limits my frequency response (-40dB peak at around 800Hz). I completely forgot about that problem before, and that&#039;s probably the reason why I am over-sensible on the contralto frequency range: doctors explained that some kind of over-compensation often takes place in such cases)</p><p>Thank you very much for your precious help, and happy 2018!<br />Fabio</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-10T16:39:07Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dklein wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I also see much potential with binaural, but it always sounds a bit &#039;closed&#039; to me.&nbsp; I wish that the &#039;microphones&#039; in the binaural head could be tweaked to make them more live, more airy, or similar.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree, <br />I prefer a Player perspective of the microphones that gives à fuller and more open sound.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-07T22:42:56Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I also see much potential with binaural, but it always sounds a bit &#039;closed&#039; to me.&nbsp; I wish that the &#039;microphones&#039; in the binaural head could be tweaked to make them more live, more airy, or similar.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-07T18:48:13Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>After all, maybe a binaural recording is the way to come closest to a real piano/Ptqsound in the future? And be a help overcoming different ”problems” with the sound? I think binaural is an unused opportunity. Many people are listening with headphones everywhere, altough most music is mixed for loudspeakers. Binaural mode in Ptq is actually very cool. I find it very interesting to choose the position of the listener around the piano and rotate the head in different directions. It feels like the sound is more around you and not in the head. And more exciting when I can increase the size of the head (place the cursor on the up-arrow, keep left mousebutton down and drag up/down). <br />This is good, because the size and shape of peoples head have some effect on how headphones reproduce the sound (and we have different earcanals and earflaps too). And after recording in binaural, and listening to recording, when moving the head away from piano in different directions, one can get wider sound and reflections from the room, acustic changes. Nice how one can try out the ”roomsize/acustic” a bit, before exporting. In the future it could be nice to get Ptq binaural sound even more ”alive”, if the head could follow the movements of our own head when playing/recording (ref. to my earlier ”which ear get what” in thread ”Very high-end desktop and Piano modelling”, the later answer 1.12 -17). But, as I have learned, binaural recordings is meant for replay with headphones and will not always sound properly on stereo speakers. And this lead us again to the problem with so many different headphones…they sound different….we hear different… everyone have their favorite…cheap… expensive. But, oldschool headphones can be nearly as good as today´s (I was reading Niclas webbsite, headphones). Lyckily, the development goes on. Hopefully in the near future we can buy headphones that is made especially for using with digital /physically modelled pianos. Headphones that adapt/adjust themselves to the size of different listeners head, earflaps and so on. Well, thats what I think.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-07T17:59:07Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fabio.barbon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Any advice on how to tweak Pianoteq parameters to obtain a sound that is similar to the first fragment would be very appreciated.</p><p>Many thanks again for your time,<br />Fabio</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t hear a nasal sound. Galaxy has a deeper sound and is flatter. Pianoteq sounds more lighter and more detailed.</p><p>If you&#039;re using the Pro version I&#039;d edit:</p><p>VOICING:<br />Hammer Noise: 1.40<br />Spectrum profile: sliders&nbsp; [3] -1.00, [7] +0.50. Note edit is more complex but worth a look.</p><p>DESIGN: <br />Impedance: Between 0.90 and 0.95</p><p>OUTPUT:<br />Action: Damper position: 1/7.0 or 1/8.0</p><p>These will flatten out the sound, then you could tweak details back in using other enhancers. Like Piano, Mezzo and Forte.</p><p><i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-07T10:49:43Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>To support my recent comment. No, the lower grade speakers is not a &quot;ridiculous&quot; idea at all. Playing Pianoteq on your grandma&#039;s 60&#039;s hi-fi will make it indistinguishable from her favorite Horowitz vinyl record.</p><p>Not exactly on topic, but up to it to some degree: <a href="https://youtu.be/MTQ3j70P9es">https://youtu.be/MTQ3j70P9es</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-07T08:27:31Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Listening to the two example files, I raised my speaker output so that the second, Pianoteq example matched the volume of a real piano in front of me.&nbsp; I then had to decrease the volume of the galaxy example to about 60% to match volumes.&nbsp; Then, the stereo width between the two is quite different:&nbsp; The Galaxy is wider than a real piano on my speaker set-up, with the treble on the left instead of the right (which is odd to me sitting at a keyboard) where the Pianoteq microphone sittings are a touch narrower than I would like for my speaker span.&nbsp; Also, the Galaxy has more reverb than I would expect with anything but a studio recording that&#039;s been massaged - you can match it with Pianoteq reverb settings if you wish.</p><p>(and, curiously, the Pianoteq with these changes sounded more &#039;present&#039;, whereas the Galaxy sounded a bit more shrouded, as if it was playing through a curtain)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-07T01:38:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I tried a compact AKG in a good music store. I listened a metalic vibrationm ringering in right side when playing bass, but the seller did not managed to listen even I repeating the same playing with hin using the phones in both sides. Even without consider the metalic ringing vibration it was bad, not natural sound but a boxy sound. I tested it in a sampled digital piano of the store.</p><p>Like I said, if I test 100 models, I bet I will like no one, just like when I went to TV store and find all LED TV (LED backilight) as crap.</p><p>I could tested more 5 headphone models, but would not buy anyone, and the seller would get pissed off imaging I was making hin of fool.<br />I still can&#039;t explaing in words why the phones are not so bad to listen music, but are horrible to use to play digital pianos.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>stamkorg wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I never listened a single headphone that was good for play digital pianos. I&#039;m afraid if I test 100 models, I will found all bad.</p></blockquote></div><p>Did you try the AKG K702?<br />I find them very good</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-06T23:41:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, cheaper speakers is really a ridiculous suggestion...</p><p>Pianoteq will always be &quot;artificial&quot;, it&#039;s been like that for the past 10 years, not sure why anyone things it will ever stop being &quot;artificial&quot;. It&#039;s code, not an actual real piano (but it still sounds like a really good piano)! Just like sample libraries will always be static snapshots of a sound played at one point in time. Both have pros and cons, and both will continue to have pros and cons. But, Pianoteq&#039;s pros heavily outweigh whatever pros sample libraries might have, first and foremost, I cannot find myself inspired with piano sample libraries, at all... With Pianoteq, I can play endlessly, like on a real piano. THIS is where it&#039;s at.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-06T23:14:10Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Re Andrei&#039;s comment on cheaper loudspeakers etc. I am happy with Pianoteq6 sound - not perfect, but so many advantages over a single acoustic instrument. I have spent many hours tweaking the sound to satisfy me when playing through small near field monitors and then a little more ambience for listening over much better speakers. However, I was recently amazed to hear how well it sounds in my car, via a very standard cd/miniscule speaker system.</p><p>So it may be true that those dissatisfied with the Pianoteq sound either have golden ears or exceptionally good equipment, or both. After over half a century of playing acoustics, I get a great deal of satisfaction from PT6 - mainly the Grotrian for Romantic music and the SteinwayD for Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven.</p><p>I am not qualified to give advice on sound, except the simple process of using one&#039;s ears and patience. Oh, and has been said, add a more distant mic. Pianoteq has so many means of adjustment, settings can be found for all acoustic situations/equipment. It&#039;s a long learning curve but worth it IMHO. Plus, leave a reasonably good setting for a day or few. Our ears are not instruments that work consistently in all conditions.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-06T20:28:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>b) Play with the reverb, more wet, longer decays.<br />c) Set the microphones position to something more distant</p><p>a) Most important. Don&#039;t use high quality speakers/headphones, better use somewhat cheap semi-full range computer speakers. The better monitoring system you have - the more clearly you&#039;ll hear the artificial nature of the Pianoteq in its current state. Cheaper speakers help masking it. As an alternative solution I could recommend using some tape-vinyl emulation plugins, but I&#039;m not a big fan of it.</p><p>d) Don&#039;t underestimate the overall volume settings.<br />e) Dial the dynamics.</p><p>f) I would definitely recommend some decent audio interface like something like RME for it&#039;s superior drivers stability at low buffer sizes, but still stick to point a) for the playing experience.</p><p>...or, actually, to be fair, I would not bother really.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-06T17:23:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jcfelice88keys wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>+1 on AKG K702 headphones.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you very much Joe (and others) for the recommendation (AKG K702) and the comments about a separate headphone amplifier (which I happen to already have do not use). I’m not very happy with my current headphones (Sennheiser HD600) which has some annoyingly exaggerated volume and resonances for some notes and small ranges in the mid to upper treble. Anyone compared the AKG K702 to the AKG K712 headphones?</p><p>And an aside: your version of Bach’s Brandenburg concerto using Organteq is magnificent!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-06T17:02:05Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Of course, important thing to note is that with headphones, Pianoteq&#039;s output section should be set to Binaural...</p></blockquote></div><p>This is a very important tip. Thank you, EvilDragon.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-01-06T16:57:14Z</updated>
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