Thanks
Osho

Oshogg, Davey, and others:  Can you offer a reference to what specific functionality is needed for Indian classical music?  Gotta have specifics in order to build it into algorithms   Perhaps references to reliable books would be enuf...

Thanks for the response.

Here is a really good documentation:

http://mtg.upf.edu/static/media/Pratyus...s-2010.pdf

Osho

nevermind "the Scintillating Sounds of the Santoor"... here comes "the Precious Tones of PianoTeq"! 

edit: PS: all of which is great, but it's still hard to beat K.S. Chitra ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrfp50uonA

Ha ha , K.S. Chitra is hard to beat - but at least let's get Pianoteq in the race!

There has been attempts to do something similar using acoustic piano before, called Fluid Piano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Cq3pbcMkI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3L-Fv2lX8

But the pitch bend only really works for slow Alaap sections - once one gets into medium and fast tempo compositions, the slides aren't really practical to use.

Basically, what I would like to be able to do is what Utsav Lal does in the video above in the first 10 minutes using the slides - but with a better 'user interface' that would work in also medium/fast tempo:

• Use a pedal to indicate to the software that a pitch bend needs to be performed between two notes.

• One could also use continuous pedal (e.g. damper pedal) to not do typical sustain but to do 'andolan' - i.e. oscillate the pitch slightly around the note being pressed - the amount of oscillation (i.e. how high/low the oscillated pitch is from the note being pressed) can be controlled by how much the continuous pedal is pressed.

Pianoteq has the perfect ingredients for making a Indian Classical Music-compatible Piano that can actually do justice to the ornaments in the Indian Classical Music with Piano sound. I would love to hear from the developers if they have any thoughts on this.

Osho

Actually wait... you CAN set up pitch bend range, in Options->MIDI. Scroll down the MIDI mapping and find Pitch bend assignment, then change the range.

It sounds kinda horrible when you extend it to an octave, though.

extending to P5ths should work pretty well though...

nevermind "the Scintillating Sounds of the Santoor"... here comes "the Precious Tones of PianoTeq"! 

edit: PS: all of which is great, but it's still hard to beat K.S. Chitra ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrfp50uonA

It sounds kinda horrible when you extend it to an octave, though.

AFAIK Pianoteq doesn't support pitch bends over a few semitones.

Interesting. My pitch bend wheel could only do 2 seminotes - and it worked for that. But, it seems that the technology is there to do pitch bend in the software - so hopefully it can be extended to a larger range (at least an octave would be desirable for Indian Classical Music).

Osho

I would like to be able to use Pianoteq to play true glissando or portamento.

I recently noticed that Pianoteq responds to the Pitch bend wheel - and creates smooth transition from one note to another. So, it appears technologically capable or creating true glissando/portamento with Piano sound - this is very exciting! Using pitch bend wheel has some limitations though: it only goes one full note/2 semi notes above or beyond the current note and it is not the most practical way to do this as one has to move one hand from the Piano and back.

A more practical way of doing pitch bend would be to use one of the pedals. For examples:

• With Una Corda pedal down, if one plays C and D - then the should should be "Note C (with hammer attack) gliding up to D (no hammer attack for D).

• With Una Corda pedal down, if one plays C and G - then the should should be "Note C (with hammer attack) gliding up to G (no hammer attack for G).

• With Una Corda pedal down, if one plays C, D and E - then the sound should "Note C (with hammer attack) gliding up to D (no hammer attack for D) . Note D (with hammer attack) gliding up to Note E (no hammer attack for E)

This would enable one to play like the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMZIsZ5prKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_zewj8EOjc

But on actual Piano keys (instead of finger sliding on a flat surface).

Is this possible to do in Pianoteq? I would happily pay for "Ultra Pro" license if this can be done - I think there are others out there who would be very interested in such capability as well.

One way of doing this might be with some program that takes in Midi data, modifies it and sends it to Pianoteq. Such a program can convert the Una corda pedal down with midi notes in the input to Output that has notes with pitch bend events (and removing pedal down events). Assuming Pianoteq supports pitch bends in Midi wider than 1 full note - this might work. However, this will require that such midi modification program has to be extremely light weight to minimize latency/delay.

Osho