In the first video, is it wrong ?
The wide difference in price range for two Yamaha CX7 models from 2017.

yamaha C7X 2017  363.000,00
yamaha C7X 2017    47.000,00

(according the video)

I'm pretty sure it's actually a C7X and a CFX, but the font makes it hard to spot. The CFX is a "premium" product and thus much more expansive

Beto-Music wrote:

In the first video, is it wrong ?
The wide difference in price range for two Yamaha CX7 models from 2017.

yamaha C7X 2017  363.000,00
yamaha C7X 2017    47.000,00

(according the video)

$47K seems more "in line" with what I vaguely remember Yam prices to be - if it MATTERS you could look it up in piano buyer's guide.

PART of the reason that some of us here have Pianoteq is that (while it isn't a "perfect" emulation of the various wooden pianos) it is so much less expensive that it represents much better value - i.e. a much high quality/price ratio.
A couple or few hundred dollars vs tens of thousands - - but critics complain that is is a percent or two short of a wooden one.
Hmmm...

Plus Pianoteq can be a bit more mobile without going outa tune... so I am thinking less expensive upkeep...ha... and lighter (depending on your setup of course).

A particular characteristic I noted (that was not shown in this video) was just how well these high-end pianos sounded when they were played softly.  In fact, I distinctly remember playing a 9' Bechstein very quietly and luxuriating in the sound with the Una Corda pedal pressed,
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Cheers,
Joe

I agree with you totally.  It's all about the clarity of the sound.  I hate old pianos that have hard hammers which make them almost impossible to play with nuance and expression.

Here is my commentary:

When recordings of pianos have been "normalized" to be within a decibel of each other, it is darned hard to tell them apart.  To me, a better is one that allows me to "emote" -- it has a greater dynamic range and response to my touch -- something that CANNOT be captured in a video.

So, if the bass of a bass-heavy piano has been adjusted to matched the bass of a bass-light piano, then the video and audio have been doctored.

I remain firm in my opinion that videos of these types, while interesting, have little to no value in demonstrating what they claim to portray.

<climbs down from soapbox>

Joe

In the first video, is it wrong ?
The wide difference in price range for two Yamaha CX7 models from 2017.

yamaha C7X 2017  363.000,00
yamaha C7X 2017    47.000,00

(according the video)

$47K seems more "in line" with what I vaguely remember Yam prices to be - if it MATTERS you could look it up in piano buyer's guide.

PART of the reason that some of us here have Pianoteq is that (while it isn't a "perfect" emulation of the various wooden pianos) it is so much less expensive that it represents much better value - i.e. a much high quality/price ratio.
A couple or few hundred dollars vs tens of thousands - - but critics complain that is is a percent or two short of a wooden one.
Hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHWex94-mHg

yamaha C7X 2017  363.000,00
yamaha C7X 2017    47.000,00

(according the video)

Beto-Music wrote:

Joe, you are right, this video could be better. Anyway it's interesting.

Why this Yamaha it's so expensive if it's not a brand used in concerts ?

What is the most expensive grand piano for concert, Steinway or Bosendorfer Imperial ?

Regarding your question about Steinway, I may answer you in one word:  "branding".
Steinway does a marvelous job of marketing its pianos by furnishing a worldwide stable of pianos for Steinway Artists, (free of charge, in exchange for the brand name to be placed along the body of the piano for the world to see) and everyone else gets pushed to the side.  In reality, 90% of the world's stages use two brands of pianos, and one of them IS Yamaha(!); however, almost none of those pianos are the 9' Yamaha.  So it's a bit of a shell game in saying that Yamaha shares the world stages with Steinway.

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When (unsigned Steinway) artists are allowed to select from any brand in the world, they often select a different brand.  However, in light of paying to have those non-Steinway brand pianos dragged to the world's concert stages, most artists choose Steinway.  On the other hand, Steinway artists are bound by contracts to play Steinway and only Steinway in public concerts.

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I have played the CFIII at NAMM shows, and believe it is a truly marvelous piano.  Now, given the choice between the Yamaha 9' grand, and a Bösendorfer, Fazioli, Blüthner as an alternate to a Steinway D, I must confess that Yamaha would not be at the top of my list if the above three brands were at my disposal, and if cost to deliver, tune and prepare the piano were not a concern.

Cheers,

Joe

FWIW, can anybody tell the difference?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qPp0njnWhk

Joe, you are right, this video could be better. Anyway it's interesting.

Why this Yamaha it's so expensive if it's not a brand used in concerts ?

What is the most expensive grand piano for concert, Steinway or Bosendorfer Imperial ?

Regarding your question about Steinway, I may answer you in one word:  "branding".
Steinway does a marvelous job of marketing its pianos by furnishing a worldwide stable of pianos for Steinway Artists, (free of charge, in exchange for the brand name to be placed along the body of the piano for the world to see) and everyone else gets pushed to the side.  In reality, 90% of the world's stages use two brands of pianos, and one of them IS Yamaha(!); however, almost none of those pianos are the 9' Yamaha.  So it's a bit of a shell game in saying that Yamaha shares the world stages with Steinway.

* * * * * * *

When (unsigned Steinway) artists are allowed to select from any brand in the world, they often select a different brand.  However, in light of paying to have those non-Steinway brand pianos dragged to the world's concert stages, most artists choose Steinway.  On the other hand, Steinway artists are bound by contracts to play Steinway and only Steinway in public concerts.

* * * * * *

I have played the CFIII at NAMM shows, and believe it is a truly marvelous piano.  Now, given the choice between the Yamaha 9' grand, and a Bösendorfer, Fazioli, Blüthner as an alternate to a Steinway D, I must confess that Yamaha would not be at the top of my list if the above three brands were at my disposal, and if cost to deliver, tune and prepare the piano were not a concern.

Cheers,

Joe

EDIT:  Oops, I neglected to answer your original question about price comparisons of Steinway D and Bösendorfer Imperial Concert Grands.  In fact, the highest price must go to the Bösendorfer.  Again, however, Steinway seems to have cornered the market for providing instruments and setting them up "free of charge" for their Steinway Artists, but these costs get added to the base prices of every other Steinway.  So, "free" to a concert artist is not "free" to the regular customer or institution that purchases a new Steinway of any model.  (Inidentally, I believe Yamaha Corporation has a similar set-up with its own Yamaha Artists, and those extra costs get paid for by every non-artist and institution that purchases a new Yamaha piano.)

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I can't avoid to think in about a crazy ad in the movie's style (ultra sincerity) for digital píanos, based in theses remarks about real pianos, prices, quality.

A ad like:

"Advanced digital pianos, for you who are too poor or too cheapskate penny-pincher to buy the real thing but enjoys quality."

Why this Yamaha it's so expensive if it's not a brand used in concerts ?

What is the most expensive grand piano for concert, Steinway or Bosendorfer Imperial ?