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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#039;s better to start with a mint condition piano that can be adjusted to less, rather than try to get a mint one from a lesser setting. It&#039;s impossible to know how the end user is going to use it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DonSmith]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-10-14T22:58:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You can also save a plugin preset as default in Reaper - then every time you open the plugin, it will open with that preset.</p></blockquote></div><p>That`s correct also.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2017-10-14T07:46:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You can also save a plugin preset as default in Reaper - then every time you open the plugin, it will open with that preset.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2017-10-14T07:28:15Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jcfelice88keys wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Are you aware of the &quot;Freeze Parameter&quot; concept?</p><p>In this manner, you can set the condition slider to any value you choose (I usually go about 0.30 -- your own choice may vary), and then click on the Freeze Parameter (the Check Mark in the box towards the top right of the Pianoteq interface).&nbsp; Then you may place a check mark in the place marked &quot;Instrument Condition&quot;, and then at the bottom of the window, click &quot;Set As Default&quot;.</p><p>From that moment onward, every time you select a new Pianoteq piano model, the Condition Slider will automatically default to the value other than &quot;Mint&quot;.&nbsp; I have confirmed that you may quit Pianoteq after freezing the Condition slider, and then restart Pianoteq -- and the Condition Slider will assume the altered position.</p><p>Hope this helps,</p><p>Joe</p></blockquote></div><p>This is true, however, in a DAW for example Reaper, despite freeze settings in a standalone mode, when you insert new virtual instrument it will load factory settings and the only way is to save template inside a DAW to save position. Not hard though.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2017-10-14T07:18:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Are you aware of the &quot;Freeze Parameter&quot; concept?</p><p>In this manner, you can set the condition slider to any value you choose (I usually go about 0.30 -- your own choice may vary), and then click on the Freeze Parameter (the Check Mark in the box towards the top right of the Pianoteq interface).&nbsp; Then you may place a check mark in the place marked &quot;Instrument Condition&quot;, and then at the bottom of the window, click &quot;Set As Default&quot;.</p><p>From that moment onward, every time you select a new Pianoteq piano model, the Condition Slider will automatically default to the value other than &quot;Mint&quot;.&nbsp; I have confirmed that you may quit Pianoteq after freezing the Condition slider, and then restart Pianoteq -- and the Condition Slider will assume the altered position.</p><p>Hope this helps,</p><p>Joe</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jcfelice88keys]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-10-14T03:23:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Stephen_Doonan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have begun to use the condition slider often, and making new personal presets that include it, usually moving the slider rightward away from &quot;mint condition&quot; to anywhere from about .07 to .35 or a little more.</p></blockquote></div><p>huh, i even had to surch for the slider now ( .......note edit was open )<br />i´ve not used this slider since my first test days.......so all my own presets have it at setting 0.<br />so, thanks for the numbers, very welcome !</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Funky40]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-10-13T11:34:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I love reading all this stuff... I never used the condition slider till I read about folks using it last week or so on here. Cool how it works. Must be fun for the gang at&nbsp; Pianoteq to watch us try to figure things out. I learn a lot on here that I never even thought about or knew to think about.... or something like that.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T22:05:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>musichascolors wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I also think many people never touch the slider.</p></blockquote></div><p>The Condition slider seems to be frequently ignored, and it&#039;s great to point it out to people and encourage them to use it. As other people have pointed out, it was learned a very long time ago that tuning one or two of the three &quot;unison&quot; strings slightly sharp added a beautiful complexity and fullness to the tone of an acoustic piano. In addition, since the frequency of strings under a lot of tension tends to decay a little flat, tuning one or two strings slightly sharp tends to allow the after-attack decay of the string to be more in pitch, a phenomenon more audible in the treble range of the piano where the strings are under more tension than the bass strings.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Stephen_Doonan]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T15:28:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering what is the accuracy of human ears when tuning a piano, without the modern tuning devices? Particularly between the two or three strings of the same note. Also what is allowed in a concert piano before the piano to be tuned again? I mean historically speaking, not this day or age, where everything is &#039;&#039;corrected&#039;&#039; with an electronic device. To my ears, the condition slider add so much to the realism that it can&#039;t only be a question of taste.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lucy]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T15:09:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Actually the default state for all of Pianoteq pianos are not actually &quot;mint&quot; in terms that they are not at all synthetically perfect, all parameters are always &quot;fine-tuned-random&quot;, say, unison tuning, etc. So it is never exactly &quot;mint&quot; to some degree. The condition slider just add more on top of it. You can clearly see what I&#039;m talking about in a Pro version - countless per-note semi-random tweaks all around for all presets.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[AKM]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T15:04:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think the main issue with it defaulting to Mint is that it&#039;s being compared with samples of/real pianos that typically aren&#039;t in mint condition. So that &quot;color, richness and complexity&quot; appears to be missing. I also think many people never touch the slider. For example, this is from a post on Piano World &quot;I have found I can get a bit more character in Pianoteq by throwing it out of tune, or moving the Condition slider from Mint, and towards Worn out. Somehow I missed that button all those years, just discovered it a few days ago.&quot;</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T15:01:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Law wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a disservice at all, it&#039;s so simple to adjust it to your liking. Where else would they default it to if not mint.<br />I for one, is certainly enjoying that feature.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree. The condition slider is a great feature to use and exploit rather than to neglect, but should default to &quot;mint&quot; condition.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Stephen_Doonan]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T14:51:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a disservice at all, it&#039;s so simple to adjust it to your liking. Where else would they default it to if not mint.</p><p>I for one, is certainly enjoying that feature.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Law]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T14:32:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>xinaes wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The part where you say &#039;It&#039;s more accurate to say it applies white noise&#039; doesn&#039;t seem to make much sense.&nbsp; That&#039;s just a more convoluted and somewhat less accurate way of saying it applies some randomisation.&nbsp; Saying it &#039;applies white noise&#039; implies that there&#039;s some kind of continuous signal involved; I can&#039;t quite see how that&#039;s accurate.&nbsp; Saying it randomises doesn&#039;t necessarily imply it completely randomises. Perhaps for clarity one could say it &quot;just applies some randomisation&quot; rather than &quot;just randomises&quot;.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree with your last sentence here. That was what I was trying to clarify.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T14:27:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: IMO, Pianoteq does itself a disservice by defaulting to Mint]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That is already what Unison Width parameter is doing. Condition slider adds further changes to that, but other parameters as well.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2017-09-13T12:06:10Z</updated>
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