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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Latency! with Focusr. Scarl. 2i4 2. gen on old Notebook 1.8GHz,2GB RAM]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=946530#p946530</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@sjgcit</p><p>btw I&#039;m not using a Celeron N3050 for Pianoteq, it is to slow for me and I showed my findings here in the forum:<br /><a href="http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?pid=943177#p943177">http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic...77#p943177</a></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sjgcit wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> As a rough guide to performance I use the Single Threaded Passmark ( <a href="https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html">https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html</a> ) as a basis when two or more cores are available.</p></blockquote></div><p>... seems to be too over-simplified to be useful IMHO. It gives these performance indices:</p><p>Intel Celeron N3050 @ 1.60GHz: 467<br />Intel Celeron N2930 @ 1.83GHz: 463<br />Intel Core i5-2467M @ 1.60GHz: 952</p><p>While the N3050 should be on par with the N2930, it is very sluggish. On the other hand I&#039;m using my N2930 with nice performance since 1-2 years (64 samples (1.3 ms), 48 kHz, PTQ 5.8.1, Debian Standardkernel, incl. effects reverb, delay etc.)</p><p>This would better cope with what you called &quot; the normal multi-threaded passmark&quot;, I guess you mean:</p><p>PassMark - CPU Mark<br />Intel Celeron N3050 @ 1.60GHz: &nbsp; &nbsp; 892 <br />Intel Celeron N2930 @ 1.83GHz: &nbsp; &nbsp; 1637 <br />Intel Core i5-2467M @ 1.60GHz: &nbsp; &nbsp; 2330</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sjgcit wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I haven&#039;t noticed any latency issues but I note that when I read about them they&#039;re usually involving USB audio devices and that seems to be a common issue with these things.</p></blockquote></div><p>... one reason seems to be, that USB usually has more latency, than PCI. In another thread I found an increase <strong>of ~5 ms</strong> USB vs. PCI on the same netbook: <a href="http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?pid=939514#p939514">http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic...14#p939514</a></p><p>cheers</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Latency! with Focusr. Scarl. 2i4 2. gen on old Notebook 1.8GHz,2GB RAM]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve used Pianoteq before on an old laptop that was roughly the same speed as a N3050.&nbsp; I had to set to direct ALSA output -- no JACKD for audio sharing -- and set the sample rate at 11khz internal, 22khz external.</p><p>On my now fanless i3 1.8ghz (Haswell), I can set it to 22/44khz + JACKD for other audio apps without any issues.&nbsp; However, bringing up a browser to play Youtube in parallel totally kills everything.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Mossy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Latency! with Focusr. Scarl. 2i4 2. gen on old Notebook 1.8GHz,2GB RAM]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Just for your general information regarding your CPUs :</p><p>* Pianoteq seems to use 2 thread and having more than two cores makes no difference to Pianoteq (althought they can be useful for other apps running simultaneously).&nbsp; There&#039;s a benchmarking thread somewhere in the forum where someone did exhaustive testing to find this out, but I can&#039;t find it right now.</p><p>* As a rough guide to performance I use the Single Threaded Passmark ( <a href="https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html">https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html</a> ) as a basis when two or more cores are available.</p><p>* Your N3050 has a single threaded passmark of 467</p><p>* Your i5-2467M has a single threaded passmark of 942 ( nearly double, despite running at the same clock speed as the N3050 ! )</p><p>* The N3050 has two cores, and the i5-2467M has 2 physical cores with 2 logical cores per physical core.&nbsp; The physical cores are all that matters for Pianoteq, but overall the logical cores add about 20% more performance to the i5 over the N3050 and the normal multi-threaded passmark gives the N3050 about 900 and the i5-2467M about 2300 ( notice how the logical core - hyperthreading - raises the overal i5 performance by more than the factor of 2 the physical core alone would ).</p><p>So you would expect that not only would the i5-2467M performs much better on Pianoteq alone, but it would have enough horsepower to do more background work, which may help latency (a bit).</p><p>As a footnote I run Pianoteq on both a laptop (similar to your but an N2840) and a desktop (with a Zeon E3-1240) under Linux Mint 17 and 18 with no problems.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t noticed any latency issues but I note that when I read about them they&#039;re usually involving USB audio devices and that seems to be a common issue with these things.&nbsp; If I was adding an audio device like that I&#039;d almost certainly try an RT Kernel or an audio specific distribution and get a PCI based card (like an RME) but I&#039;ve no direct experience of these myself.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Latency! with Focusr. Scarl. 2i4 2. gen on old Notebook 1.8GHz,2GB RAM]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=946513#p946513</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>... with a faster notebook the round-trip-latency (RTL) is better with the Focusrite 2i2. It is specified i5-2467M CPU @ 1.60GHz, 4 GB RAM, Debian-Kernel 3.2.81-2.</p><p>With a 5 ms recording-buffer&nbsp; the RTL is 11 ms now (compare 21 ms with the Celeron above):</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170128/5eyloxtv.png" alt="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170128/5eyloxtv.png" title="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170128/5eyloxtv.png"/></span></p><p>I also can reduce the recording-buffer to 3 ms without glitches. Then the RTL gets better once again being 9 ms now:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170128/s6oxp5pm.png" alt="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170128/s6oxp5pm.png" title="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170128/s6oxp5pm.png"/></span></p><p>So the output-latency should be around 5-6 ms or better from a Focusrite 2i2. In my opinion its hardware is not the limiting factor.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2017 15:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Latency! with Focusr. Scarl. 2i4 2. gen on old Notebook 1.8GHz,2GB RAM]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi TJ76,</p><p>I tried to estimate the latency of my Focusrite 2i2. I played and recorded a click-track at the same time with this USB-Audiointerface. The time difference between send and receive divided by two gives a vague idea of the output latency.</p><p>I set the recording-buffer in audacity to 5 ms, seems to be the minimum to get no drop-outs. As shown in the picture, the click returns 21 ms later (round-trip-latency). Divided by 2 the output-latency could be ~10 ms.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170127/6tzpkenq.png" alt="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170127/6tzpkenq.png" title="http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170127/6tzpkenq.png"/></span></p><p>Considering the 5 ms recording-buffer the round-trip could be 21 ms - 5 ms = 16 ms.</p><p>Divided by two 8 ms could be a reasonable output-latency of the 2i2.</p><p>I used a slow Acer netbook with Celeron N3050 1.60GHz, 2GB RAM, Debian/Sid Linux, audacity 2.1.2, 24bit/48kHz,battery-powered, no performance tuning, Debian kernel 4.9.2-2.</p><p>Cheers</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2017 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Also, do make sure that you&#039;re not running the laptop on battery, and make sure that power options are set to High Performance, which should disable CPU speed throttling (which is not good for audio processing).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (EvilDragon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>What model of CPU do you have ?&nbsp; ( e.g. i3-6100U, a designation like that ).</p><p>The headline clock speed is not a good guide to the available computing power.&nbsp; Very similar designations can have very different performance, and different processors with the same clock speed can have quite different performance figures.</p><p>And regarding Apple kit,, my standard warning is that you are paying a considerable premium for just the name.&nbsp; The same hardware in a PC laptop is typically a lot cheaper.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Drivers and major part of latency both depend on the manufacturer of the audio interface, can&#039;t blame OS for it (as mentioned, RME has excellent drivers, lowest latency over USB compared to any other manufacturer out there - find a second-hand Babyface and you&#039;re set). I don&#039;t think you need to shell out loads of cash for a Macbook or move to Linux if you don&#039;t want to</p><p>Did you check your DPC latency? <a href="http://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml">http://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml</a></p><p>It&#039;ll report which drivers are causing the most DPC latency, then you can disable those devices. Usually it&#039;s LAN and WiFi.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (EvilDragon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply!<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>1.8 GHz CPU is definitely on the slow side of things...</p></blockquote></div><p>That sounds like the bitter truth....</p><p>Still... Anybody ever used the Native Instruments Traktor Audio MK2 with Pianoteq? My beloved ancient Sony Vaios last chance....</p><p>I might end up and just get a Macbook ...</p><p>For the latency part and drivers... Windows sucks....</p><p>Or install Linux ?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (TJ76)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The only manufacturer that has stable but very low RTL with USB audio interfaces is RME.</p><p>1.8 GHz CPU is definitely on the slow side of things...</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (EvilDragon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p><p>Here is my problem:</p><p>PT used to work well on my old Notebook (1.8 GHz, 2GB RAM) with ASIO-driver and audio optimasation, the internal soundcard delivered a satisfying sound. Latency was never a problem at 44 KHz with 128 Samples (came out at 2.8 ms). Two weeks ago the notebooks line out faded away so I can&#039;t use it any longer.</p><p>A new and CPU-stronger Notebook is on the way but I would like to continue to use my old Notebook (rock solid quality, no break downs, SSD hard disc) as a light mobile solution for band rehearsals.</p><p>The Question is: Can I squeeze acceptable latency (round-trip-latency !) out of that Notebook (1.8 GHz, 2GB RAM) driven with a USB-audio-Interface ???</p><p>The Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 2nd gen brings Pops, crackles and insufficient latency at 44 KHz with 128 Samples. Probably the computer ist just to weak for a modern device such as the 2i4 2nd gen.</p><p>Any hints? Tweaking suggestions?</p><p>Or should I use a smaller, less CPU- and RAM-intensive interface (I will very likely not need to use any of the recording options of a USB-interface during the next 5 to 10 years, I will use it for playing Pianoteq exclusively).</p><p>The small and simple NI Traktor Audio 2 MK2 light might be an option but according to the manual it requires a system with a minimum of 2.0 GHz and 4 GB RAM. Any experiences ? Suggestions?</p><p>Thank you for any commentary !</p><p>Cheers</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2017 14:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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