_DJ_ wrote:

certainly a nice pic, but i must be missing something...
aside from the photoshopping of the image with "Grotrian Steinweg Pianoteq" what do these actually have to do with the Grotrian??

I'll have a stab - the answer is: absolutely nothing, but Beto-Music has a special license for this kind of entertainment - just sit back and enjoy it. ;^)

Greg.

BWAHAHA!

certainly a nice pic, but i must be missing something...
aside from the photoshopping of the image with "Grotrian Steinweg Pianoteq" what do these actually have to do with the Grotrian??

I'll have a stab - the answer is: absolutely nothing, but Beto-Music has a special license for this kind of entertainment - just sit back and enjoy it. ;^)

Greg.

Thanks Philippe, Fleer and Skip

Better with the proper order (flat/sharp) by removing one plate from the gride.

certainly a nice pic, but i must be missing something...
aside from the photoshopping of the image with "Grotrian Steinweg Pianoteq" what do these actually have to do with the Grotrian??

Better with the proper order (flat/sharp) by removing one plate from the gride.

Greg.

Congratulations to this incredibly great new Grotrian Grand!!
I played only a few notes from the demo and then instantly purchased it!
It is such an incredible warm and rich sounding piano, it's so much fun to listen just to the sound of a single note (especially in the midrange)!

OK, a great part of the credit - of course - has to go  to the Grotrian Steinweg people,
but also many many thanks to you at Modartt for making available such a wonderful instrument!!!!
I just played for 2 hours on this new instrument, and couldn't stop, such a great joy!

Oh my, I have to "blame" Modartt for this, because this incredible Grotrian sound caught me and  I couldn't get it off my head...
... after only 5 weeks of playing the PTQ Grotrian Grand with a digital piano, I now finally have a real, acoustic Grotrian upright piano here in my room!
The smallest one, the "friedrich Grotrian Studio" and a used one (but almost as new), for a very reasonable price.
The same character of sound from the Concert Royal Grand in PTQ is also recognizable in this small (110cm) Grotrian upright.
And it has a silent mode (SG2 from Yamaha), so I still can play Pianoteq as before on my headphones.

Thanks very very much both to Grotrian as to Modartt!!
:-)

Stephen_Doonan wrote:

TJ76 wrote:

What I do not like is the attack sound in the lower register. There is a kind of blopping sound in the attack that just (free-associating) brings the esthetics of a ping-pong-ball or a flummy to my mind. I hear it in allmost any preset (played with Pianoteq Stage).

Honest commentary is always valuable. But are you sure it is the piano model itself, and not the equipment or settings you are using to play and hear the Grotrian? MIDI keyboards, soundcards, equalizers, headphones, speakers, anything in the path of the sound can all add to or alter the sound. To my ears, the bass range of the Grotrian sounds very much like acoustic grands I have played.

Can you give an example of an instrument that does not have the sound you mention?

At any rate, whatever the sound, I'll bet that it is something that could be modified in Pianoteq Pro's Note Edit feature. If it were to be able to be identified precisely, and the cause for it, that parameter could be altered and an FXP of the altered preset uploaded for yours or others' use.

I'm wondering if there is some way for you to upload a sample of the sound you don't like as an MP3, and another sample of a sound that you prefer, for comparison.

Thanks for the reply!

I am using rolands rd800 as a controller, PT stage, beyerdynamic dt880 pro headphones and the internal soundcard of my sony vaio laptop (which is a fairly good one so far, i've tried mid price audio interfaces but did not hear significant sound improvement).

I've heard that "blopping" attack sound in - sorry to say - budget grands from china. It might only be my personal reception, since piano sounds are heard on a highly subjective level. For example I don't like the sound characteristic or "coulour" of PT model B or D4, but I can understand what characteristic other people might appreciate in those models. Mine is the Bluethner! Love it, use it every day. That is the good thing about Pianoteq, there's at least one available instrument, that matches one's taste.

Agree, Bluethner has the best bass for me, really outstanding. Grotrian is well balanced, but some of the bass sounds a bit processed to me. But Grotrian and B have spectacular mid and upper registers. Recently, I put an FXP out there for B that (along with my EQ'g and reverb, both done outside PT, and
an insanely extended direct sound duration - I like the sound to go on and on) makes B shine for me. Previously, I had not found B's volume response well-balanced across the registers. I recall hearing someone say that single notes on the B may not always sound pretty, but together they do - perhaps that's true here. I made a couple similar adjustments to Grotrian but it is already well regulated to my ears. I like all three pianos.

TJ76 wrote:

What I do not like is the attack sound in the lower register. There is a kind of blopping sound in the attack that just (free-associating) brings the esthetics of a ping-pong-ball or a flummy to my mind. I hear it in allmost any preset (played with Pianoteq Stage).

Honest commentary is always valuable. But are you sure it is the piano model itself, and not the equipment or settings you are using to play and hear the Grotrian? MIDI keyboards, soundcards, equalizers, headphones, speakers, anything in the path of the sound can all add to or alter the sound. To my ears, the bass range of the Grotrian sounds very much like acoustic grands I have played.

Can you give an example of an instrument that does not have the sound you mention?

At any rate, whatever the sound, I'll bet that it is something that could be modified in Pianoteq Pro's Note Edit feature. If it were to be able to be identified precisely, and the cause for it, that parameter could be altered and an FXP of the altered preset uploaded for yours or others' use.

I'm wondering if there is some way for you to upload a sample of the sound you don't like as an MP3, and another sample of a sound that you prefer, for comparison.

Thanks for the reply!

I am using rolands rd800 as a controller, PT stage, beyerdynamic dt880 pro headphones and the internal soundcard of my sony vaio laptop (which is a fairly good one so far, i've tried mid price audio interfaces but did not hear significant sound improvement).

I've heard that "blopping" attack sound in - sorry to say - budget grands from china. It might only be my personal reception, since piano sounds are heard on a highly subjective level. For example I don't like the sound characteristic or "coulour" of PT model B or D4, but I can understand what characteristic other people might appreciate in those models. Mine is the Bluethner! Love it, use it every day. That is the good thing about Pianoteq, there's at least one available instrument, that matches one's taste.

What I do not like is the attack sound in the lower register. There is a kind of blopping sound in the attack that just (free-associating) brings the esthetics of a ping-pong-ball or a flummy to my mind. I hear it in allmost any preset (played with Pianoteq Stage).

Honest commentary is always valuable. But are you sure it is the piano model itself, and not the equipment or settings you are using to play and hear the Grotrian? MIDI keyboards, soundcards, equalizers, headphones, speakers, anything in the path of the sound can all add to or alter the sound. To my ears, the bass range of the Grotrian sounds very much like acoustic grands I have played.

Can you give an example of an instrument that does not have the sound you mention?

At any rate, whatever the sound, I'll bet that it is something that could be modified in Pianoteq Pro's Note Edit feature. If it were to be able to be identified precisely, and the cause for it, that parameter could be altered and an FXP of the altered preset uploaded for yours or others' use.

I'm wondering if there is some way for you to upload a sample of the sound you don't like as an MP3, and another sample of a sound that you prefer, for comparison.

I am a Grotrian lover, have allways been attracted to their uprights and since last year own a lovely Grotrian Cabinet grand.

To my ears in the upper half of the keyboard range Pianoteqs Grotrian model comes very close to a perfect grand. If it sounds exactly like a Grotrian concert grand is not important to me since it iust does sound great,  authentic and natural. Playability and dynamics as well are as advanced as could be, just like in any other Pianoteq instrument.

What I do not like is the attack sound in the lower register. There is a kind of blopping sound in the attack that just (free-associating) brings the esthetics of a ping-pong-ball or a flummy to my mind. I hear it in allmost any preset (played with Pianoteq Stage). I really want to like the Grotrian model but this detail kept me from buying it instantly.

Anybody sharing my impression?

Maybe an update will solve the issue and bring even more ballance to the full range. Waiting for that I'm happy to stick with the Bluethner as I do since 4 years ;-)

Cheers

TJ76