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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Always having trouble with Presto]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Use a metronome and speed up gradually the tempo mark. Whenever you make one or more mistakes decrease it again and restart. Repeat &#039;till you get to your target time. This is the basic technique to speed up pieces or difficult phrases.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Chopin87]]></name>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Always having trouble with Presto]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have tried to speed up from allegro but 2 things stop me in my tracks.</p><p>1) The exponential increase in mistakes no matter how hard I try(Presto, horribly wrong, Molto Allegro, a few minor)</p><p>and</p><p>2) My momma saying &quot;Slow that down, you are making too many mistakes&quot; when I tell her &quot;I can do it with 0 mistakes at allegro and this is presto, I am bound to get mistakes&quot;</p><p>This essentially blocks me from doing Presto except when I am lucky.</p><p>But if I ever want to play Grande Valse Brilliante by Chopin or Toccata and Fugue in D minor by Bach or even In the Hall of the Mountain King by Greig, I need to be able to do presto with practice and not just with luck.</p><p>That last bit of In the Hall of the Mountain King is at presto due to the constant accelerando in the piece.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[caters]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-26T17:24:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Always having trouble with Presto]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mr. Caters,</p><p>Unless you practice individual phrases at Presto, only a very small minority of pianists can magically play a piece at presto, -- when practiced at adagio, andante, moderato and allegro.&nbsp; To be able to play well at presto, one needs to practice at presto. </p><p>Here&#039;s how to approach the CPE Bach piece:</p><p>While playing presto,&nbsp; practice playing the first nine notes as a phrase:&nbsp; Eb (RH) C Eb G (LH) C Eb D C B (RH) using the following fingering: 2 (RH) 5 3 1 (LH) 2 4 3 2 1 (RH).&nbsp; Do this short 9-note phrase several times until you can play it &quot;like the wind.&quot;&nbsp; Try it several times &#039;presto&#039; with eyes closed (to ensure the learning of muscle memory).&nbsp; You should be able to complete these nine notes within approximately 1/2 second.</p><p>Then go on to the next nine note phrase (which includes the B natural of the previous phrase played with your right thumb): B (RH thumb) G B D (LH 5 3 1) G F Eb D Eb (RH 4 3 2 1 2).&nbsp; Again, practice this &#039;presto&#039;.&nbsp; When you are able to do this flawlessly, then connect all 17 notes of the first two phrases (18 notes minus 1 for the common B natural played at the end the first phrase, which launches the second phrase).</p><p>. . . . . .</p><p>I do not have the score in front of me, so I don&#039;t know which measure number this is, but go to the part where you are in f minor and find the descending f minor arpeggios played with two hands.&nbsp; Although this is perhaps the hardest part of this piece, when you break it down as follows, you will have no trouble playing it presto ... after practicing it presto:</p><p>Your left hand plays these four individual sixteenth notes (semiquavers) Ab F MiddleC Ab with a pause between each note to account for the three notes phrases played by the right hand.&nbsp; &nbsp;However, practice these four left hand notes so they become automatic.&nbsp; They form the notes of a descending f minor chord.</p><p>In this same place, practice the right hand notes separately as clusters of three descending notes:&nbsp; F C Ab (RH 521), C Ab F (RH 421), Ab F C (RH 421), F C Ab (RH 521).&nbsp; Please note these are all f minor arpeggios.&nbsp; &nbsp;Next, practice both hands in groups of only four notes L R R R, until you are able to find each set of notes.</p><p>Hopefully this helps.</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Joe</p><p>P.S.&nbsp; I do not wish to turn this into a piano tutorial, as this was only an example of how to practice at the tempo of presto.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jcfelice88keys]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-26T16:21:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Always having trouble with Presto]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>No matter how much I practice, allegro vivace tends to be my dead on maximum speed except for a few lucky times. Allegro though is usually my maximum speed with no mistakes.</p><p>For example, as I practiced Solfeggio in C minor by C.P.E Bach, this is how I went about it:</p><p>1) hands separate, adagio<br />2) hands together, adagio<br />3) dynamics, adagio<br />4) andante<br />5) Moderato<br />6) Allegro</p><p>And before I went on to the next step I made sure that I made absolutely 0 mistakes.</p><p>But as I try to speed it up further this happens:</p><p>7) Molto Allegro, few minor mistakes(wrong note for example)<br />8) Vivace, several mistakes, a few major(wrong octave for example)<br />9) Presto and Prestissimo, all wrong</p><p>There are a few lucky times when I was able to play it presto with 0 mistakes but usually it goes all wrong at Presto, no matter the piece.</p><p>This is a major problem for me. How am I ever going to play Toccata and Fugue in D minor if I can&#039;t do Presto with 0 mistakes every time. How am I going to play most of Chopin&#039;s pieces? How will I play extremely fast notes(like 64ths and faster)?</p><p>I have the right handshape all the time.</p><p>I make sure I have no mistakes at Allegro.</p><p>If I need to, I do it part by part.</p><p>And yet, except when I am lucky, I can&#039;t do Presto.</p><p>Why? Why?</p><p>I am able to do trills and tremolos extremely fast. Why can&#039;t I do Presto? Why is Allegro my maximum speed without mistakes?</p><p>And how can I make myself able to do presto without mistakes when at Presto, no matter how few mistakes(0 or a few minor), it all goes horribly wrong most of the time? It should be as simple as wide and not so wide turns, tremolos, and trills and I am able to do those.</p><p>As for a piano teacher, I once had one but she got rude at me during my second year(don&#039;t know if it was because I wanted to learn more complicated pieces faster than the average person or what but she was rude about it). So from then on, I have taught myself how to play certain piano pieces. </p><p>I think there is something missing in my attempts at Presto.</p><p>Something besides practice at allegro, handshape, part by part for some pieces(Mostly those like Eine Kleine Natchtmusic), and sheer luck.</p><p>How can I get myself to do presto without mistakes? Should I say something like &quot;This is just like 1 big trill. You can do it I know you can. You&#039;re good at trills. Just remember the trill and you will be able to do it.&quot;</p><p>What should I do because practice is only enough to get me to Allegro.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2016-08-26T14:43:49Z</updated>
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