Amen Ptah Ra wrote:

From my effort to reproduce a Baldwin piano sound, heard on a CD, I recently posted to the Pianoteq FXP Corner.  I gladly welcome any oneupmanship.

Oh, no. I have to go out of town, so I won't be able to play your fxp for another two days. Thanks for creating it.

I want to extend a welcome to DonSmith, the forum member who has definitely demonstrated his oneupmanship by his posting his K2-BaldwinGrand2 preset to FXP Corner:

https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/4mgh82tu

I've included two (2) audio examples, both more or less volume matched.  One is of the YouTube video from which Don created his preset.  The other is of the preset itself.  It was recorded from a rough conversion of the YouTube audio to MIDI loaded and recorded within Pianoteq.  The two of them follow immediately (below):

Baldwin 9ft Concert Grand Piano.mp3
K2-BaldwinGrand2.mp3

Maybe Don will share his insights about Baldwin piano sounds and talk or write about them within this thread.  Already he unselfishly has submitted over sixty (60) Pianoteq presets to FXP Corner.  He quietly has been submitting presets for others to enjoy; he has ever since the release of Pianoteq 3.

He based his preset off of this YouTube video of a Baldwin SD-10 (nine foot [9’]) concert grand piano, Baldwin 9ft Concert Grand Piano:

Thank you, DonSmith.

Indeed I am willing to wait.  Any Baldwin (SF-10) is well worth the wait to me!

Besides, this thread has received nearly as large a readership as the thread Pianos you want Modartt to model? alone.

So, obviously, other people are very much interested also!

Otis wrote:

Gibson should be very, very interested in this kind of opportunity to market the Baldwin sound to the people. What good is it to own a piano brand if it is not accessable to most of the people. Makes no sense at all.

A recent post of a Baldwin SF-10 at http://livingpianos.com shows it has become available.  I realize its location is U.S.A.  But, even I was once able to have a rare Sonor Signature Series (African bubinga) drum set shipped from Mannheim to Los Angeles.  And, I’m just a private individual.

Living Pianos ships worldwide.

Piano of the Gods - Baldwin SF-10

This Baldwin sounds lovely. Too bad it is so far from Toulouse.

Gibson should be very, very interested in this kind of opportunity to market the Baldwin sound to the people. What good is it to own a piano brand if it is not accessable to most of the people. Makes no sense at all.

A recent post of a Baldwin SF-10 at http://livingpianos.com shows it has become available.  I realize its location is U.S.A.  But, even I was once able to have a rare Sonor Signature Series (African bubinga) drum set shipped from Mannheim to Los Angeles.  And, I’m just a private individual.

Living Pianos ships worldwide.

Piano of the Gods - Baldwin SF-10

But if a Baldwin is very close to Steinway in sound, why do we need that now if we already have two good steinway models on pianoteq?

https://youtu.be/YhP6K44jOtk?t=174

(start at 2:54)

So, sticking to Baldwin topic, Bechstein would be a valid option to see on PTQ as well

Projections are valid!  Even I purchased a licensed copy of the Bechstein recently made available to anyone using Pianoteq.

Now about others wanting to see a Baldwin piano eventually modelled, people just have to wait and see!

If you will, please note a link to a Wikipedia reference, about the Baldwin Piano Company: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Piano_Company

So, sticking to Baldwin topic, Bechstein would be a valid option to see on PTQ as well

I second that! True, there is a historic Bechstein in the free models, and a 1899 "modern" Beckstein available, but these are no substitutes for a recent one. I had the pleasure of playing a demi-queue Beckstein in a music store. It was perfectly in tune (rare in a store) felt and sounded fabulous. Unfortunately, it cost $35,000...

Today, although no longer associated with Baldwin pianos, C. Bechstein partners with Zimmerman and even Casio on their respective pianos’ design (including action).

Let me stress, Modartt is alone capable to make an adjustable piano hitch pins innovation a parameter within VST software, for you to eventually control your piano’s singing.  Piano sample based softwares are grossly inadequate to this end.

- Bechstein
- Schimmel
- Ciampi (liked it much)
- Feuerich
- August Förster
- Zimmermann

In addition to the other already known big brands

The action of some of the Baldwin pianos, by which I mean particularly the shallow key-press depth, with its resultant loss of expressivity and nuance, might have been regarded as a detriment to the brand when considered with other brands of piano, though Liberace was apparently fairly loyal to the Baldwin brand (I'm guessing his pianos were customized for him, as Steinway customized pianos for Horowitz (including a characteristically deep Steinway key touch but a lighter, more responsive action that didn't require as much muscular strength and wasn't as tiring)).

I suppose I developed a dislike for the brand because of the Baldwin spinet I was raised with, which had the shallow key depth just mentioned and a thin, uneven tone and dynamics throughout its ranges.

Was your Baldwin a Hamilton model? Those were popular, and I do dislike them, as well. Just as you describe--thin tone. Brittle if pushed at all. I could never understand why Baldwin created them at all, since the company could clearly have created a much better piano with similar specs and a similar price.

I suppose I developed a dislike for the brand because of the Baldwin spinet I was raised with, which had the shallow key depth just mentioned and a thin, uneven tone and dynamics throughout its ranges.

I didn't hear much of a range of change in tonality from soft to hard, which may become tiring. I guess that's a plus when projecting sound in a big hall but maybe lacking the expressive character of other brands for more intimate settings?
It's almost like it is too pure for some material. I wonder if an accurate modelled version would (somewhat ironically) come over as too pure, too synthetic to people less familar with high end Baldwins.

That's from my very amateur perspective.