finally a demo!!!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q6au5m32dzuwl...6.mid?dl=0

and midi file!!!

and fxp file in FXP Corner...

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/565a3n18

These are by far the best settings I have discovered for the ARIUS YDP-143. It is also my final offering for the same.
The WAV demo utilises a third party reverb which was saved in the .fxp file. Hopefully this will not cause problems??
I am very happy with the final settings and the piano sounds perfectly even with them. I am not an accomplished
pianist but have done my best with the demo to show the piano's smoothness. Enjoy!

Kindest Regards,

Chris

p.s. feedback would be great if anyone finds the files helpful ; )

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/9i0pvrtf

link above to .fxp with most even velocity response to date for ARIUS (YDP-143)

No Black/White key adjustment

I hope to post a demo shortly

Kindest Regards

Chris

EDIT:

Apologies for not being more informative in this post. I had a job to do which meant I couldn't complete my post at the time.

I need to check again but I am sure that I have found the best velocity curve setting for smoothest chromatic runs on my ARIUS YDP-143. These chromatic runs are very smooth when listening through headphones or speakers. I must point out that I have created this curve using unison width and unison balance set to the same for each note i.e. the default value for each. This is also the best way to have these settings when creating velocity curves for any other keyboard as it eliminates variations between notes that would make it difficult. I guess it's a bit like using a piece of felt to dampen the outer two strings of each of the tri-cords in the piano tuning scale.

I'm going to create a demo now and will post it as soon as I can,

Kindest Regards,

Chris

My best ARIUS YDP-143 settings to date

I have altered hammer hardness of black notes also as follows

piano 32, mezzo 86, forte 1.72 (where whites are 30, 80 & 1.60)

Velocity curve in PianoTEQ = 0, 53, 85, 127; 0, 32, 96, 127

Hope this helps,

Kindest Regards,

Chris

I decided to try the velocity curve calibrator within Pianoteq again. Then I tweaked it and came up with a curve (linear) that enables me to do smooth chromatic scales. Early tests are promising but I need to do further experimentation. However, here's the co-ordinates for anyone who wishes to try it out as-is.

0, 40, 96, 127; 0, 1, 126, 127

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Hi all,

I thought to myself, I'll just check to see if the piano (YDP-143) is actually level on the floor. Well, it wasn't! It is now (after putting some card under the front of the left foot). Now it has an even more consistent velocity response - lovely.

I have also found a really nice setup that plays and sounds very good with and without headphones. It is based on the Bluthner with the ARIUS (143) medium (default) velocity curve and adjusted Pianoteq curve. I'll post the .fxp and velocity curve tomorrow hopefully with demo.

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Sorry for the delay all,

image shows method used to level piano.

I'm still checking the velocity curve out.

back later today (hopefully!!!)

Kindest Regards,

Chris

I thought to myself, I'll just check to see if the piano (YDP-143) is actually level on the floor. Well, it wasn't! It is now (after putting some card under the front of the left foot). Now it has an even more consistent velocity response - lovely.

I have also found a really nice setup that plays and sounds very good with and without headphones. It is based on the Bluthner with the ARIUS (143) medium (default) velocity curve and adjusted Pianoteq curve. I'll post the .fxp and velocity curve tomorrow hopefully with demo.

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Hi, sigasa.

Just have checked visualizations of your curve on previous page and start wondering why do you cap your volume like this both at low and high midi speeds? I have to do something like that myself at high speeds because my gear isn't capable to generate midi velocities greater than ~100-110 But I guess your rig is much better and this shouldn't be a problem. Isn't more authentic would be something closer to a straight line going from lower left corner to upper right? Isn't this how real pianos behave? I just don't know myself, and thought you may know more about how to set the curve correctly.

Hi AlexS

I set the low and high points in a bit primarily because anything closer to 0,0 or 127, 127 is virtually uncontrollable/irratic in normal/realistic playing.

Hope this helps AlexS

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Just have checked visualizations of your curve on previous page and start wondering why do you cap your volume like this both at low and high midi speeds? I have to do something like that myself at high speeds because my gear isn't capable to generate midi velocities greater than ~100-110 But I guess your rig is much better and this shouldn't be a problem. Isn't more authentic would be something closer to a straight line going from lower left corner to upper right? Isn't this how real pianos behave? I just don't know myself, and thought you may know more about how to set the curve correctly.

Been working today to iron out a particular frequency that was causing problems for me whilst using the Bluthner. I think I've cracked it but need to go back with fresh ears later. Whilst testing earlier, the piano seemed a lot more definite and sure in the way it played. Anyway, as I say, need to check it again this evening.

For those who wish to check it out now, the frequency I've subdued is 8877Hz (note 78 F#4's 11th frequency) which I have taken down to - 11.5.

Kindest Regards,

Chris

0, 33, 85, 127; 0, 1, 126, 127

Dynamics slider = 20

Yamaha ARIUS YDP-143 hard velocity curve

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Silly me! I should have adjusted the dynamics per curve variation!
I've now started to do so whilst using hard curve variation on the Yamaha (curve option 3). I'm getting much better results and will post as soon as I've got something I really like.

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Hello Mr. Groovy,

If in fact some midi keyboards do not send the lowest and/or highest available note-on velocities, then I stand corrected and a customized velocity curve is justified.

Cheers,

Joe

I recall one famous synth that was notorious for not being able send MIDI key velocity over a certain level and various Roland keyboards that had MIDI key velocity 'limitations'

groovy wrote:

Hello jcfelice88keys,

jcfelice88keys wrote:

When you [...] play with note-on velocity between values of 1 and 30, [...]
when you [...] play with any note-on velocity between 92 and 127 [...]

velocities in (approximately) these two ranges can't be played on some midi-keyboards. That is the legitimation for a customized mapping ("velocity-curve").

Kind regards

Hello Mr. Groovy,

If in fact some midi keyboards do not send the lowest and/or highest available note-on velocities, then I stand corrected and a customized velocity curve is justified.

Cheers,

Joe

Joe,

The 143 does send lowest and highest velocities but higher and lower regions are quite uncontrollable so need to be suppressed.

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Hello jcfelice88keys,

jcfelice88keys wrote:

When you [...] play with note-on velocity between values of 1 and 30, [...]
when you [...] play with any note-on velocity between 92 and 127 [...]

velocities in (approximately) these two ranges can't be played on some midi-keyboards. That is the legitimation for a customized mapping ("velocity-curve").

Kind regards

Hello Mr. Groovy,

If in fact some midi keyboards do not send the lowest and/or highest available note-on velocities, then I stand corrected and a customized velocity curve is justified.

Cheers,

Joe

I had wondered before now why the velocities of the blacks and whites had appeared to be the same in terms of consistency, but had sounded different. Now I know.

I wish post the example curve shortly.

Kindest Regards,

Chris